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Guest post: “When an MP has a baby there’s no system for any leave at all”

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MumsnetGuestPosts · 25/10/2017 14:35

MPs set the rules on maternity and paternity leave - but when an MP has a baby there’s no system for any leave at all. This is ridiculous - because while a constituency needs to be represented at all times, a mother also needs some time to focus on her new baby. There are now 208 women in parliament – that’s more than ever and it’s an important aspect of making our democracy more representative. And it’s a fact of life that many of them are having babies: 17 were born to women MPs since 2010.

So what happens at the moment? An MP having a baby will ask the party whips to arrange a “pair” so she can be away from Westminster. They’ll allow her to miss a vote and at the same time a Conservative MP will not vote. But that means she has to ask for a favour from the whips and she’s in their debt when they allow her to be off. Her vote is not recorded so it looks as though she hasn’t bothered to turn up or doesn't care about what’s being voted on. When Manchester MP Lucy Powell was paired in the weeks after her baby was born the Sun reported her failure to vote denouncing her as “the laziest MP in Westminster”. Lucy is one of our most hyper-active MPs and there’s nothing lazy about any mother looking after a new baby.

As an MP, you need to be “on call” for your constituency 24/7. You never know when there’ll be an emergency. I had to rush to a burning tower block in 2009 and broke my holiday to come back when there were riots in Peckham 2011. Situations which suddenly require you to be around for happen more often than you think. But when you are in labour you cannot be on duty. And when you have a new baby you shouldn’t have to be on duty. But if you’re not, constituents will feel that there’s no-one they can ask for help. Each time after I had my three babies, constituents would say to me ‘we didn’t want to bother you so soon after your baby was born’. They shouldn’t have been in the position of feeling like they were without help because their MP had just had a baby. But with no leave and no cover, as an MP with a new baby I felt like a bad MP and a bad mother.

There’s no leave for men MPs either. In the past many would not leave the commons at all but just hear from their family that they’d become a father. James Frith the new MP for Bury had to leave his newborn son when he was only hours old to vote on the EU bill last month. Most fathers want some time with their new baby and what example is Parliament setting to fathers in the country if MPs themselves are absent in those crucial first weeks?

So I’m proposing a new system of baby leave and cover for women and men MPs - for six months you could ask a fellow MP to act as your “proxy” to cast your vote and you would also be able to nominate someone to cover for you in your constituency while you were off. That way you would get the time you need, the constituency would have the representation it is entitled to and you wouldn’t have to ask for favours from the whips. There’s a lot of support for both men and women MPs from all parties so I’m optimistic it will happen. And hopefully MPs who are new parents in the future will not feel wracked with guilt like I was.

Find out more in this article in the Times (£).

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Winterhotchocolate · 26/10/2017 21:14

We need to do this. If we don’t offer this kind of thing we will never get more women into politics and women’s issues will continue to be underrepresented. I can see some difficulties in doing it but we shouldnt let that stop us altogether. I think they can be overcome.

Want2bSupermum · 27/10/2017 01:57

scrubby So if an MP was diagnosed with cancer they would need to step down?

I think there needs to be a couple more changes than maternity leave. Also I was stepping in to do payroll because the two people ahead of me had been in a car accident and the other was out sick. It's DHs business but as a qualified accountant and being somewhat close to the business I stepped in to cover the gap.

Tanith · 27/10/2017 08:23

I agree there should be provision, however don’t expect it to be an easy fight.

I’m a self-employed childminder who could only take 2 weeks off for the birth of my baby.
I am incredibly lucky that it all went to plan. Some parents were supportive, some, and the professionals I worked with, were not and made no allowance whatsoever: in fact, one or two deliberately made it harder.
The general attitude, when I mention it, is that it’s my job, I chose it, my responsibility, what do I expect?

I see similar attitudes on here. Why do women make things so much harder for other women?

ScrubbyGarden · 27/10/2017 08:47

wanttobe yes, pretty much. Although actually I think most keep going, and get the whips to pair them, and good luck to the constituency work.
Totally agree that there need to be more changes than just maternity provision!

Aderyn17 · 27/10/2017 10:07

While so many people are on zero hour contracts and screwed over by universal credit, shortages in the nhs, shortages in decent, affordable housing etc, I find it hard to summon up much sympathy for the plight of MPs, with thier lovely salaries and second homes, second jobs and expenses claims.

I don't think that constituents should be without representation when their MP has a baby - they are being denied their democratic rights, so I would support something which enabled another MP to vote on their behalf.
Six months off is too long. I'd halve that. Sounds harsh but I think that if you take this very special and important job then you owe ot to the people who voted for you to actually be there and if you cannot, then step down and allow someone else who can, to do so.

ASmallSteph · 27/10/2017 10:08

Going against the grain but I think being an elected councillor or MP is a very special role in society and I wouldn't be happy with long term leave taken. I thought it was a bit off of the MP who went into a reality TV show for a while.

They are elected to represent and serve their constituents. It's not a job or career.

MrsPestilence · 27/10/2017 11:12

Maybe all MPs should have a previously nominated deputy. Like the PM does. This would then cope with voting for absences.

Normal women get six weeks and then the potential for more. Life does not always make six months or a year feasible.

Margret Thatcher waited for her twins to grow up a bit before she entered parliament. House husbands, millionaire husbands and nannies allow for many options.

Should a system be set up to allow for proxy votes - Yes
Should MPs get six months off - Hmm

PoppyPopcorn · 27/10/2017 12:52

This is also used as a political stick to beat female politicians. Article in the Daily Record about MP's expenses has the headline "and ex-minister Swinson, who lost her seat, had expenses totalling over £190,000 in 2014-15 new figures reveal."

Yes, because Jo Swinson had a baby and needed to employ someone to deal with constituents while she was off. But let's not allow facts to get in the way of a sensible debate.

Female MPs should absolutely be able to take maternity leave and rather than this silly system of "pairing" get a proper cover person in. There are plenty of ex-MPs, or activists who have stood in the past and not been elected who could stand in for the MP in the House, deal with constituents and keep things running.

Aderyn17 · 27/10/2017 13:17

But those people are not elected. I don't think it is a great idea for elected MP's to be replaced for 6 months by someone that the public chose not to elect when given the choice.

ChelleDawg2020 · 27/10/2017 15:25

No! MPs should not "nominate someone to cover for them" whilst they take maternity leave. The public have elected the MP, not their proxy. If MPs were elected alongside a named deputy who would take over then maybe this would work, but the system Harman proposes could see dozens of unelected proxies running things at any given time. Our democracy needs to be more democratic, not less.

MPs are not employees in the traditional sense either. Effectively they are self-employed, touting for a fixed term job of work every few years. If they were employees, it would be hard to "unelect" them because they'd have sufficient rights after five years as to be treated as full-time, permanent employees!

Being an MP is one of the few jobs which should outweigh and overrule family concerns. An MP should give 100% focus to their constituents and their country. Maternity or paternity leave should not be available at all - if the MP needs a long time off, then they should stand down and allow someone who can be fully dedicated to the role to be elected.

ScrubbyGarden · 27/10/2017 17:00

“Millionaire husbands and nannies allow for many options.”

Because of course we should only be represented by millionaires and their wives...

ScrubbyGarden · 27/10/2017 17:01

Ps I think electing as a pair (mp and deputy) sounds v sensible

Aderyn17 · 27/10/2017 17:05

How would the deputy thing work though? Are they just going to be sitting around sucking up public money until needed? Or if they have a ft job of their own, will their boss agree to them taking a 6 month break to cover another MP's mat leave?

LadyinCement · 27/10/2017 17:23

Paying two people? I think not!

I agree that being an mp just doesn't fit any mould and needs unique adjustments. A person could feasibly spend an entire parliament on maternity leave if they timed it right.

People vote for an mp for different reasons: some vote for the party of their choice even if a stuffed gorilla is standing. Others approve of the individual - as a personality or because of their particular views. How would a stand-in work here? Does the MP choose someone in their own image, or is an "approved someone" parachuted in by central office?

I think that parliamentary life is difficult for parents, but given the special nature of the job any absence should only be physical and a full "mental" involvement should continue.

MrsPestilence · 27/10/2017 17:31

Pssst MPs already employ people.
Or they could partner will a fellow MP for house votes.

LadyinCement · 27/10/2017 18:02

But I didn't vote for the intern/researcher who is probably their friend's son (nb all parties guilty of this) and it would be outrageous if they were poncing into the Commons. Would they get to ask questions at PMQ? Table a couple of EDMs? Bray during debates?

I also think it would be a chance for party hierarchies to "pack" their side with (unelected) people on message.

Want2bSupermum · 27/10/2017 18:26

More to the point they should be able to sit at home and participate in debates and/or votes remotely.

ScrubbyGarden · 29/10/2017 08:47

lady the proposal is for a deputy to take on the constituency work, and another mp to vote as a proxy for the one on leave. No braying needed from any interns.

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