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Guest post: “When an MP has a baby there’s no system for any leave at all”

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MumsnetGuestPosts · 25/10/2017 14:35

MPs set the rules on maternity and paternity leave - but when an MP has a baby there’s no system for any leave at all. This is ridiculous - because while a constituency needs to be represented at all times, a mother also needs some time to focus on her new baby. There are now 208 women in parliament – that’s more than ever and it’s an important aspect of making our democracy more representative. And it’s a fact of life that many of them are having babies: 17 were born to women MPs since 2010.

So what happens at the moment? An MP having a baby will ask the party whips to arrange a “pair” so she can be away from Westminster. They’ll allow her to miss a vote and at the same time a Conservative MP will not vote. But that means she has to ask for a favour from the whips and she’s in their debt when they allow her to be off. Her vote is not recorded so it looks as though she hasn’t bothered to turn up or doesn't care about what’s being voted on. When Manchester MP Lucy Powell was paired in the weeks after her baby was born the Sun reported her failure to vote denouncing her as “the laziest MP in Westminster”. Lucy is one of our most hyper-active MPs and there’s nothing lazy about any mother looking after a new baby.

As an MP, you need to be “on call” for your constituency 24/7. You never know when there’ll be an emergency. I had to rush to a burning tower block in 2009 and broke my holiday to come back when there were riots in Peckham 2011. Situations which suddenly require you to be around for happen more often than you think. But when you are in labour you cannot be on duty. And when you have a new baby you shouldn’t have to be on duty. But if you’re not, constituents will feel that there’s no-one they can ask for help. Each time after I had my three babies, constituents would say to me ‘we didn’t want to bother you so soon after your baby was born’. They shouldn’t have been in the position of feeling like they were without help because their MP had just had a baby. But with no leave and no cover, as an MP with a new baby I felt like a bad MP and a bad mother.

There’s no leave for men MPs either. In the past many would not leave the commons at all but just hear from their family that they’d become a father. James Frith the new MP for Bury had to leave his newborn son when he was only hours old to vote on the EU bill last month. Most fathers want some time with their new baby and what example is Parliament setting to fathers in the country if MPs themselves are absent in those crucial first weeks?

So I’m proposing a new system of baby leave and cover for women and men MPs - for six months you could ask a fellow MP to act as your “proxy” to cast your vote and you would also be able to nominate someone to cover for you in your constituency while you were off. That way you would get the time you need, the constituency would have the representation it is entitled to and you wouldn’t have to ask for favours from the whips. There’s a lot of support for both men and women MPs from all parties so I’m optimistic it will happen. And hopefully MPs who are new parents in the future will not feel wracked with guilt like I was.

Find out more in this article in the Times (£).

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cdtaylornats · 25/10/2017 23:42

And they aren't forced to do it. Maternity leave for MPs leaves their constituents unrepresented.

If MPs want to be a "special" category then the can't claim the perks of other types.

"covering the needs of local constituents" is more than a full time job never mind voting etc!

Amazing how many of them find the time to have second or third jobs

NameChange30 · 25/10/2017 23:51

Well this proposal is to arrange cover so that their constituents will be represented.

Again, if you think MPs shouldn't have second or third jobs, that's another issue.

No one is forced to do a job, we all make a choice based on various factors, but just because we choose our jobs doesn't mean we shouldn't get the basic minimum of rights when we're doing those jobs.

Maternity/paternity/parental leave should be a basic right IMO.

Want2bSupermum · 26/10/2017 03:47

Labracadabra You have no idea what I do for a living.

The fact remains that when you stand for election you are making a commitment to your constituents. To take 6 months off with no cover isn't acceptable. I still ask the question regarding what happens when an MP is ill. How is cover managed? Can't the same process be applied to women taking maternity leave?

Personally I've just gotten on with it. I've had 3DC and worked on a light schedule through all of my leaves. With my current employer I'm a key employee in a company with less than 50 employees therefore not eligible for maternity leave beyond 6/8 weeks. I knew what I signed up for and they explained it to me before I accepted their offer. I'm walking in eyes wide open to the choice I've made.

JassyRadlett · 26/10/2017 07:28

Personally I've just gotten on with it. I've had 3DC and worked on a light schedule through all of my leaves.

How many 11pm finishes a 6 hour journey from your home were part of that ‘light schedule’? How much travel? How much urgent work?

Bitofeverything · 26/10/2017 07:48

How do MPs get paid during the six months under these proposals? Because obviously all women would like six months on full pay. And MPs should get the same as everyone else, so they should only get six months on full pay if everyone else does. Given that the system isn't great, and they have control of the system, they should not be able to give themselves a better deal.

permatiredmum · 26/10/2017 07:48

I don't think it is workable. It is an elected office whereby constituents have specifically chosen that individual - you cannot just substitute someone else who may have different values or beliefs . That would undermine democracy! Besides if it is such a full on job how will another MP have the time. If an mp for any reason cannot manage their obligations they need to stand down.

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JassyRadlett · 26/10/2017 07:57

And MPs should get the same as everyone else, so they should only get six months on full pay if everyone else does.

From what I read the proposal is around putting them on the same footing as women (and men) in the civil service.

Many employers have similar (or better) maternity packages, particularly those seeking to attract higher-paid professionals.

I’m in favour of anything that will help us towards a more diverse and representative parliament.

Bitofeverything · 26/10/2017 08:13

From what I read the proposal is around putting them on the same footing as women (and men) in the civil service

Sure - but this isn't at all reflective of the private sector, and gives MPs zero motivation to think about the difficulties millions and millions of women face around the country. Six months on full pay would be unimaginable to a woman on a zero hours contract. It would be more appropriate to align MPs maternity rights with normal women than those in the civil service.

Bitofeverything · 26/10/2017 08:15

When I say "normal" women, I mean normal women's statutory rights!

TooExtraImmatureCheddar · 26/10/2017 08:52

I am all in favour of this. I would expect the proxy to consult the MP if they were unsure which way they ought to vote.

As for some of you - it’s not a race to the bottom!

MrsPestilence · 26/10/2017 09:01

it’s not a race to the bottom! nor is a way to redefine the bottom and make others stay there. They have a fixed term contract with their constituents. If they cannot meet the terms they should be treated the same as other women. If MPs deserve better, so do the others.

ScrubbyGarden · 26/10/2017 10:32

I think it's a great plan.
Erm, it does involve cover??? So it's not about 6 months without cover.
There are no provisions for sickness for MPs, just the pairing system via the whips.

So far the main argument against is basically envy (I have had two leaves as a freelancer claiming maternity allowance, and I'm bloody grateful. Doesn't mean I think nobody should get more. Besides, I don't think this proposal even goes into pay at this stage? Apologies if I'm wrong.)

want2be this is a UK proposal. Therefore your US arrangement are not relevant. In this country we have maternity rights.

Currently MPs are not remotely demographically representative. This, and other proposals (e.g., job shares) has to help!!

Want2bSupermum · 26/10/2017 10:57

jassey After my son was born I went back to work FT after 8 weeks. I had a client with an audit and I was up for promotion. I was working until midnight with a two hour drive home for about a month.

scrubby It is relevant. In any self employed or senior role in a company you can't take six months off. It's not fair to the people who work for you. I sat and did payroll for DHs company from my hospital bed when DD2 was 2 days old. People must get paid. As an MP the same applies. DH and I made a personal decision to have a baby knowing what our commitments are.

Again I ask the question about what happens when an MP needs to take medical leave?

HandbagKrabby · 26/10/2017 11:35

Until parliament represents the population it is not representative. Of course mps should get proper maternity leave and they should ensure all other parents should get it too.

I nearly bled to death giving birth last year. I really am not interested in how somebody else was emailing the office between contractions- it’s not a moral virtue to have an easily recoverable pregnancy and birth - it’s luck.

buckeejit · 26/10/2017 11:47

Cannot believe we've got to 2017 without this being addressed. This proposal makes complete sense, hope it goes through unchallenged

NameChange30 · 26/10/2017 12:22

"it’s not a moral virtue to have an easily recoverable pregnancy and birth - it’s luck."

This x 100! Well said.

NorthandSouth98374 · 26/10/2017 13:29

Personally I've just gotten on with it. I've had 3DC and worked on a light schedule through all of my leaves.

If you're an MP with a newborn in Aberdeen and it takes you 8 hours to get to London to attend a vote and 8 hours to get home again, how can you possibly operate a light schedule?!

Totally in favour of this.

To whoever was asking, when an MP is ill they ask to be slipped the whip. A new mother shouldn't be having to ask to be slipped the whip at every vote, she should be entitled to maternity leave.

NameChange30 · 26/10/2017 13:37

Illness is a different category anyway because it's not possible to predict and plan, and is usually short term. Maternity (or paternity/parental) leave is both predictable and longer term.

Want2bSupermum · 26/10/2017 16:33

I don't think illness is a different category. If you are sick for more than a week and unable to work what happens with an MP?

ScrubbyGarden · 26/10/2017 17:15

want2be we have answered your Q re illness several times now. If it doesn't make sense you can google.

If you were solely responsible for ensuring people were paid 2 days after giving birth, then I'm sorry but you were being completely irresponsible. It is entirely possible that birth may have incapacitated you for whatever reason, you needed to have put some cover in place. You are self employed (as am I) so you make your own decisions re risk of being unable to meet your commitments. In this case you were lucky. I don't want my elected representatives taking that sort of risk with their workload, so I think this proposal is a big improvement.

Parker231 · 26/10/2017 18:10

When I had my DT’s I was in a senior position in the corporate world- I took six months maternity leave (this was pre the days of the now much better option of 12 months). I did no work whilst on maternity leave - it was my employers responsibility to ensure cover was in place. I don’t see why my elected MP shouldn’t also have the time to devote to their baby. My job and career are important to me but not on the same page as my DT’s.

I support these new proposals for MP’s. We’ll never get equality with the number of young female MP’s without proper protection for them.

cheminotte · 26/10/2017 19:05

Totally support this.

1981trouble · 26/10/2017 20:40

In an age of digital literacy why on earth do we need mps to be present to vote, surely it can be done remotely. We are wasting money on expenses and travel when remote and online contributions can be made via web conferences yet we still insist on votes in the commons.
Whilst this won’t bring in a maternity/paternity leave it would make cover and flexible working a much more succinct process

NameChange30 · 26/10/2017 20:48

Except that they are supposed to be present to listen to the debate before deciding how to vote! (Although of course many/most will decide regardless of the debate.)

olympicsrock · 26/10/2017 21:07

Interesting point regarding remote contributions. I do think that some of the travelling is archaic.
However 6 months out of a 4 year parliamentary chunk is a large time. I think if an PM knows that they will be unable to fulfill their duties for a large period of time for any reason they should step down and call a by election. With pregnancy there would be a ‘notice period’ to elect a replacement. Or perhaps the constituency could elect a fixed term replacement MP???