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"We must speak up for Northern Irish women"

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LauraMumsnet · 27/06/2017 16:36

Think that abortion is accessible for all UK women? Guess again. And then please take two minutes to speak up for Northern Irish women by asking your MP to stop them being treated as second class citizens in the 21st century when it comes to their reproductive rights.

It's 50 years since the 1967 Act was passed, and legislation brought which gives women reproductive rights- except if they live in Northern Ireland. There abortion is illegal in all but the most exceptional of circumstances. Specifically, abortion is not currently permitted due to the pregnancy being the result of rape, nor in cases of fatal fetal anomaly – where the baby has no chance of surviving outside the womb.

As a result, in 2016, 724 women from Northern Ireland travelled to England for abortion care. Yet despite being UK citizens, and UK taxpayers, these women were not entitled to NHS-funded treatment, and as a result would have had to pay between £400 to upwards of £1400 for a medical procedure which is fully funded for all other UK residents. This is in addition to the cost of travel, childcare, and potentially taking unpaid time off work. Because of the expense, many women from Northern Ireland travel alone, on what is often an incredibly difficult day, without the support of their partner, mother, or friends.

Women who use the services of UK-based charity, Abortion Support Network, have been driven to drastic steps in order to afford to travel. These included selling their children’s Christmas presents, rationing food for the family, asking the man who raped them for a loan, selling their car, failing to pay the rent, going to disreputable money-lenders, and avoiding paying utility bills. Others end up falsely giving an English address, buying abortion pills illegally online, or even attempting an illegal abortion themselves.

This month Jeremy Hunt, our UK Health Secretary, fought and won a court case on his right to continue to refuse to allow Northern Irish women to have an abortion on the NHS if they come to England and Wales, claiming he was doing so out of "respect" for the Northern Ireland Assembly. Thus, as the dissenting Judge in the court highlighted, if a Northern Irish woman comes to London and requires an appendectomy, she is given one on the NHS free of charge; but if she needs an abortion, she has to pay. This is in stark contrast to our efforts as a country to help women in other nations access reproductive services. Our Department for International Development states: "Women and adolescent girls must have the right to make their own decisions about their sexual and reproductive health and well-being, and be able to choose whether, when and how many children to have." To that end, the UK government has spent £3m over 4 years on supporting this aim.

This campaign isn't about reproductive services in a developing nation - or the decisions of the Northern Ireland Assembly. It's about what is happening at your local hospital - where vulnerable women in need are being denied access to a service their taxes pay for simply because of their postcode. And however hard the Government try to blame Northern Irish politicians for this, what happens in English and Welsh hospitals is a matter for English and Welsh politicians.

To make this change now isn't to give up on securing access for Northern Irish women to abortion services in their home nation as well. Nor is it to incur substantial cost to the NHS. Indeed, the cost of providing terminations safely and legally to these women annually is estimated to be around £350,500. As this case will now go to the European Court of Human Rights, it's entirely possible that the taxpayers' money Jeremy Hunt could spend on court fees could exceed the cost of offering such a service.

The Government have now entered into a formal agreement with the DUP to keep themselves in power - a Northern Irish political party implacably opposed to the rights of Northern Irish women to access abortion services. The DUP also have form when it comes to seeking to restrict the rights of residents of other nations in the UK – including trying to stop Scotland from granting Northern Irish citizens the right to have their civil partnerships converted into marriages. Unless Jeremy Hunt changes his mind, decisions made in Belfast will continue to affect the choices open to UK citizens in Bath, Barnsley or Bangor.

The chances of overturning this decision depend upon MPs speaking up to show that we will not let equality be the casualty of Theresa May’s desperate deal to stay in Downing Street. I have tabled an amendment to the Queen’s Speech on this issue which MPs can vote on this week – to ask your MP to commit to action and support this campaign please click here or follow the tag #mypledgeherchoice. We can together send a message the women of Northern Ireland should not pay the price of keeping Theresa May in power.

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LessDeceived · 27/06/2017 22:15

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BWatchWatcher · 27/06/2017 22:16

I'm torn. I don't think NI should be exporting its abortion issue.
The politcians here should woman up and face it.
In the mean time regular women shouldn't suffer though.

LessDeceived · 27/06/2017 22:19

You can also use this link to write to your MP mypledgeherchoice.org/northern-ireland-abortion-access/

LadyHarvey · 27/06/2017 23:02

Lakehouse thank you for that well researched sweeping statement. Very helpful stuff. Smile

Dibbles1967 · 27/06/2017 23:38

I can't believe this. I'm mortified. It's just disgusting. I'm embarrassed to say that my MP is JH himself. I feel a stern letter & a petition coming on. Any ideas gratefully received.

BoreOfWhabylon · 27/06/2017 23:39

Done. Not that my bloody useless MP will take a blind bit of notice.

Queenofthedrivensnow · 27/06/2017 23:42

This is horrific and I sympathise with ni women fully. Will be signing

FeralBeryl · 27/06/2017 23:52

I have already written to my MP about this! I will certainly pay and share any crowdfunding too. I feel ill that girls and women in NI are being so openly oppressed in this Fucking day and age.
Sadly, this issue has not received remotely near the amount of publicity it requires.
I will bang on about this until the cows come home - I need to check for any local demos too if, anyone knows of any, please pm me (NW)
I cannot detest JH more than I already do. A vile specimen.

BigYellowJumper · 28/06/2017 01:12

If it helps anyone, this website wheredotheystand.org.uk/#find-a-candidate tells you how your local mp has voted on abortion and everything else. That can really help you when you are wording a letter to them.

FinallyHere · 28/06/2017 08:16

Very grateful to MN for bringing this legal challenge to my attention.

I have also been glad to support the Abortion Support Network www.asn.org.uk after hearing here on MN how different the law is in NI here and now, I would love for the need for their support to be no longer required. Fingers crossed.

peachgreen · 28/06/2017 08:49

Thanks MNHQ and everyone who has written to their MP. We in NI are fighting for our rights but it's an uphill struggle and in the meantime women are suffering. Thank you for your help.

BerylStreep · 28/06/2017 09:09

Thank you LauraMumsnet for highlighting this. There was also the recent court case where a woman in Belfast was sent to prison for taking abortion pills. Another recent case was a mother and her daughter, both convicted for procuring abortion pills so that the daughter could end her pregnancy.

Disgraceful. It is in effect forced pregnancy

Diamondsandpears · 28/06/2017 09:10

I had no idea!

TheProLifeBergensAreComing · 28/06/2017 09:34

Great that you are campaigning on this and focusing this on reassuring non-NI MPs that they have public support for this is really important. Also glad that you have highlighted previous DUP attempts to meddle with the status quo. I don't think anyone should be complacent that the DUP and Tories will be too busy worrying about Brexit to make deals on reproductive rights.

drbeverlyhofstadter · 28/06/2017 10:45

Thankyou for this !

Lakehouse unfortunately both Sinn Fein and the DUP massively play on the fear of "themuns" as we say in ni. They make voters so afraid of their opposite counterparts that voters ignore other issues and vote along secretion lines especially the older generation :(

drbeverlyhofstadter · 28/06/2017 10:46

Secterian not secretion

Cremolafoam · 28/06/2017 11:42

Thank you for the campaign. As an NI woman , who has opposed this and the anti gay stance on marriage for all in Ni, I am very happy to have the support of the Mumsnet massif.Flowers

I have sent the letter to my mp, but given that my mp is Gavin Robinson of the DUP , I imagine it will fall on deaf ears. Sad

Eve · 28/06/2017 11:45

well thats great Stella - about 25 years too late, where was your support before now?

..and what about republic of Ireland , do womens rights there not count.

barrygetamoveonplease · 28/06/2017 11:47

Women who need abortions should be able to get them without having to go far from home. Poem re abortion tourism Liverpool

Mutiny0nTheBunty · 28/06/2017 12:22

Done. I would say I can't believe Jeremy Hunt (to steal a line from Sandi Toksvig "Jeremy Hunt, the 'C' is silent") would do this but given his record on abortion and the NHS in general it seems to be par for the course.

Deckthehallswithjammydodgers · 28/06/2017 12:38

A close family member of mine had to purchase an abortion pill online due to an unwanted pregnancy in her 30's , she then ended up in hospital and couldn't tell them what really happened as they would then be obliged to report her to the police. She couldn't afford the money it cost to travel to England for an abortion plus a private abortion fee.
I fear for my daughter and think all women are equal and we deserve the right to choose I'm very lucky never to have been in this position. My relative is as much a person as every other person given this option.

Signed and shared from a northern Irish mnetter x

maresedotes · 28/06/2017 15:34

Stella Creasy can't do anything about laws in the Republic of Ireland.

maresedotes · 28/06/2017 15:37

That was to Eve's comment.

Eve · 28/06/2017 15:55

she cant do anything but she and others on this thread can provide their support to those in Republic of Ireland who have been campaigning for years.

www.abortionrightscampaign.ie/tag/abortion-support-network/

and what the Isle of Man? Are women there not to be considered for equal rights?

www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-isle-of-man-38668044

maresedotes · 28/06/2017 16:00

I didn't know about the Isle of Man - thank you for the link.

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