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Guest post: "Secondary infertility brought us heartache and loss - egg donation is bringing us hope"

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MumsnetGuestPosts · 05/02/2016 10:43

'But it's OK though, isn't it? Because you already have one.'

This has to be one of the most soul-destroying sentences I have heard since Ross and I started trying for a baby. My second child and his first. My body worked first time, so why not again?

The guilt I feel over having a baby with the wrong man, but not being able to have one with the right man, is immense. Yes, I have my nine-year-old daughter, but while my body tells me it is done with having babies, my heart and soul are crying out for more.

I had Grace when I was almost 37. It was having her that made me see that the relationship I was in was abusive, so I left when she was three months old. By the time I was almost 40, I had accepted that I might never have another child. Then Ross came along and everything changed.

We have been together for almost five years and for over two-and-a-half of those we have been trying for a baby. I first fell pregnant after just three months - but I miscarried after six weeks. I got pregnant again over a year later, but this time it was a self-aborting ectopic pregnancy. The amount of pressure that each month now puts on our sex life has become a big strain on our relationship. We keep saying that we can't wait until we get 'back to normal'.

We have been trying to establish what is wrong but, because this is secondary infertility, we are struggling to be taken seriously. I have had a great deal of difficulty with GPs and hospitals. We are not allowed IVF on the NHS because I already have Grace and because I am over 40. It doesn't seem to matter that Ross is seven years younger than me and has no biological child of his own.

Despite the hurdles, we didn't give up. Our GP finally agreed to send Ross for a semenology test - which came back normal. I went to see a specialist, and after a number of questions, without any physical tests, I was advised that I had unexplained infertility - and that the endometriosis and balanced translocation of my chromosomes were a contributing factor.

A balanced translocaton is where a part of one of your chromosomes has swapped places with part of another, which means they compensate each other and cancel out any abnormalities. If you get pregnant, then your baby could contract just one of your abnormal chromosomes resulting in disability or miscarriage.

At my request, I was then sent for an Anti-Mullerian hormone blood test thought to reflect the size of a woman's remaining egg supply - or 'ovarian reserve'. A healthy woman has a count of 15 to 30. Mine was less than five - giving us a 20% chance of IVF being successful.

Faced with this knowledge, we investigated the possibility of an egg donor last summer. We found out that it was a legal requirement in the UK that the donor was declared - but in many other countries, they have to remain anonymous.

We learnt that a woman of a younger child-bearing age, who has gone through a multitude of tests and screening processes, is matched to you, your characteristics and your interests. They then match up your menstrual cycle, either naturally or via the contraceptive pill. Most clinics then guarantee you a minimum of 10 eggs ready for fertilisation. We attended the Fertility Show and kept on researching, and then found a clinic in Cyprus we really liked.

I had been struggling with the fact that the baby would not be genetically mine. However, the research I have read on epigenetics has given me so much comfort. Even though a donor egg baby receives genes from the donor, the instructions on how they are expressed is from the woman who carries the baby to term.

We have now completed our paperwork and have chosen a donor. The next stage is to start medication at the beginning of my next cycle – which involves at least one injection a day for 12 weeks. Ross and I will then travel to Cyprus and stay there for eight days. Ross will provide a sample to use for fertilisation, and after five days two embryos will then be transplanted into me. I've been keeping a vlog diary on my YouTube channel of our journey so far, and sharing this on my blog every weekend.

Even though we are having to go through so much and pay in so many ways for this baby - including costs in the region of £7,000 - it all somehow feels right now. I started this process feeling worried about being a failure, and scared of the medical procedure. Now, I'm full of feelings of excitement and anticipation. When I woke up on New Year's Day, I said to Ross 'This is the year we are going to meet our baby'. I am still worried about all the medication and scared of what is to come, including the heartache of it not working, but the want for our newborn far outweighs this.

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TheXxed · 06/02/2016 17:28

Also discrediting the guardian as a whole and not the article and disputing poverty isn't much of an argument.

PaperPlaneDown · 06/02/2016 17:32

The clinic we went to in the Czech Republic has a reputation for treating donors well, not overstimulating and not allowing too frequent donations.

TheXxed · 06/02/2016 17:36

paper do you think the donors wanted to sell their eggs or do you think they had limited options.

PaperPlaneDown · 06/02/2016 17:44

Well, the doctor we saw told us that many of the young women were students (it was a town with a big university) and that they used the money towards funding their studies.

I do believe they sold their eggs for money (we were told they received 500 euro), but I don't believe they were desperate.

TheXxed · 06/02/2016 17:53

And this is where we reach an impasse I don't believe young women should be pumped full of drugs to have their eggs extracted in order to pay for an education.

I also believe that exploitation is far more widespread and pervasive than you, the Czech republic ranks terribly when it comes to sexual exploitation and violence against women and girls within the EU

I wish you and your family all the best paper. Flowers

NNalreadyinuse · 06/02/2016 18:09

I think there is a big difference between being forced into prostitution and making a choice to sell eggs in order to fund something you value, for example, education.

We are all limited in our choices by our economic reality.

PaperPlaneDown · 06/02/2016 18:14

Yep, we'll have to agree to disagree. Neither of us will know the exact circumstances and motivations of the young woman who donated for us.

LettingAgentNightmare · 06/02/2016 18:21

I honestly think this is totally wrong.

Epigenics does not change the fact that the baby will never have the chance to meet their biological parent. You have purposefully gone about making that impossible.

In my opinion, no one has the right to deny someone else half of their biological heritage.

I also agree. Going abroad is basically saving money on the back of a poorer woman who probably didn't have a lot of choices.

NNalreadyinuse · 06/02/2016 18:38

I do agree that the donor should be known to your child and that it isn't fair to purposely deny them this info.

lostinmiddlemarch · 06/02/2016 18:54

Xxd Also there is a reason you can't sell you eggs in the UK

You were talking about the UK, and comparing our processes with other countries (presumably poor and ethically backward) Hmm

lostinmiddlemarch · 06/02/2016 18:59

We are all limited in our choices by our economic reality.

This is very true. Who doesn't work to pay for something they believe they 'need'? All of us work for shelter, food and often education and we all have different ideas about how much of a cost we're willing to pay to achieve those objectives. Denying someone an option because they are poor makes little sense unless we also assume that the procedure is a life-threatening one, being carried out on adults who are incapable of assessing the risks and making an independent decision.

PaperPlaneDown · 06/02/2016 19:06

We didn't go abroad to save money.
We would have preferred a known UK donor, but were led to believe by doctors at 4 different London IVF clinics that the waiting lists were long.

willowsummers · 06/02/2016 19:08

I do wish we had a donor board on here.

LettingAgentNightmare · 06/02/2016 19:09

So you didn't even research it yourselves? There are more than 4 clinics.

You didn't put a lot of effort into something that will have life long ramifications for any baby born.

PaperPlaneDown · 06/02/2016 19:41

LAN, Yes, we did a lot of research and came to the same conclusion. This was quite a few years ago. Things may have changed now.

Lurkedforever1 · 06/02/2016 20:25

Everything TheXxed said. Donating eggs should be something you actively and freely wish to do, not an economic decision. It's essentially buying parenting rights from someone too desperate to have a choice, which is very morally wrong imo.

CorBlimeyTrousers · 06/02/2016 20:43

We have a baby conceived with egg donor IVF and an older child conceived naturally. It was important to me that we stayed in the UK for treatment so our child has the opportunity to trace the donor if he wants to when he's older. We didn't have to wait at all for a donor (altruistic donor sourced through an agency).

It's interesting that a poster above has implied that paying donors (in the UK our donor received £750 compensation) is unethical but egg sharing (where a woman essentially pays for fertility treatment with her eggs) is ok. I don't really see it that way.

I hope our donor wasn't exploited and she's happy with the choice she made. I am grateful to her every day for the gift she gave us. I would like the opportunity to thank her in person but I may never get to do that I know.

I hope our son doesn't believe we have denied him his genetic heritage. But I accept that's possible and it's a chance we took.

RainOhJoyus · 07/02/2016 00:25

Thexxed, so it's ok for men to sell their sperm if they're saving up for a house deposit/car/weekend bender but not ok for women to decide they want the money, or to help make a family? And yes I know the two processes involve very different things!

Nuzza · 07/02/2016 01:31

Rain - I don't think either of those things is ok! Losing either of your biological parents is a catastrophic loss - it can't be right to inflict that on a child unless it's necessary to keep the child safe. Being able to get in touch later in life doesn't come anywhere near addressing the original loss. It makes me so sad that this issue is always about the desires of adults rather than the rights and needs of children.

TheXxed · 07/02/2016 05:22

limited by economic relaity does not give people license to exploit young girls, if they were at university (which I don't believe most of them were) how old do you think they were, 18,19,20 these are very young women who had to pump themselves full of drugs and have their eggs extracted. Not because they wanted to but because they had limited choices, being limited by your economic reality should mean buying less expensive clothes and shopping in Lidl and not Sainsbury not selling part of your body.

Luckily your amoral take on this is not shared by the govt.

listings middle march your posts are bizarre and garbled so I am not even going to bother responding to you, however I will say that you clearly lack a moral compass.

willowsummers · 07/02/2016 08:14

You're confusing a parent with a donor, Nuzza.

lostinmiddlemarch · 07/02/2016 08:59

So you didn't even research it yourselves? There are more than 4 clinics.

If four highly qualified professionals told me that the waiting list for donor eggs in this country was very long, it would not occur to me to question that.

lostinmiddlemarch · 07/02/2016 09:02

if they were at university (which I don't believe most of them were)

Why don't you believe that? Clinics take pride in having donors in tertiary level education. Whether you agree with the implications of that or not, why would you assume it's not true?

lostinmiddlemarch · 07/02/2016 09:15

Xxd I didn't realise my posts were garbled and bizarre. I think I'll leave this thread because there is no point having a conversation with someone so rude and ill-informed. You seem unaware that there is indeed compensation for egg donors in this country - my view is shared by the government to an extent.

Incidentally, we chose not to saddle our child with links to his biological heritage because there are people like Xxd in the world and we had no idea who could be wished upon him at a later date. As parents, we see our responsibility being about protection of our child and ensuring that the influences on his life are positive. Handing him a Pandora's box, with all the attendant pressure to open it, didn't seem like great parenting to us, though we can see both sides and devoutly wished we were able to go forward in time and ask his opinion when we were making the decision.

Going to find an egg donor with an idea they are a biological 'parent' is misguided. It's not the same thing at all as going to find a parent who relinquished a child for adoption, for example. These people never identified as parents and never held any parental responsibility whatsoever.

The group of donor children in the UK who do want more information about their donor parents are very vocal (as are the group of adopted 'children' who think adoption is a form of abuse), but there aren't enough hard facts about what the majority of donor children want, and what impact having this information (and the contact it would lead to) have really had on the majority of donor children.

TheXxed · 07/02/2016 09:21

My post are regarding exploitation of donors, I have no idea what you are on about. The UK compensates for expenses only egg donation is not completely a commodity yet. ( I also have issue with aspects of UK policy aswell) the only part of my last post directed at you were last sentences.

I have no opinion on how you raise you child or what you choose to tell them.