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Guest post: "I fear the eradication of Down's syndrome"

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MumsnetGuestPosts · 16/11/2015 17:29

On the day Natty was born, I wasn't sure I was up to being her mother. Ignorance took over. Everything I thought I knew about Down's syndrome was a smattering of outdated stereotypes, all of which have subsequently been proved wrong.

In eight years, we have come so far as a family, risen to challenges, endured heart surgery, made adjustments and learnt to slow our pace and live in the moment. I wouldn't change any of it. I am a better person now. The pregnant woman I was, whose heart was filled with fear at the words Down's syndrome, now shakes her head in disbelief.

I've been bleary-eyed over research for this post. And, in fact, as I rose at 5.30am, drafts of what I would write very much in my mind, there was one member of our busy household who noticed my pensiveness. Natty drew me down to her face level, looked intuitively at me and said 'It's OK Mummy.'

I held her so tight, and made a silent promise into her warm hair, a promise that I would do my best to convey her worth to the world.

Because while we praise advances in healthcare and women's control over their reproductive lives, there is an important ethical debate I fear is being overlooked.

A new non-invasive prenatal test (NIPT) could help identify women whose babies have Down's syndrome. The test involves taking a sample of blood from the mother and it uses this to detect the baby's DNA.

At the moment, the NIPT test is available privately, but it could soon be rolled out by the NHS as part of their population screening programme. The UK National Screening Committee has just ended consultation over offering it - it can only be added to the programme if there is a beneficial reason for doing so.

However, there is no health gain in diagnosing Down's syndrome during pregnancy. It cannot be treated or prevented. It simply allows parents to decide whether to continue a pregnancy to term or not.

There are ethical implications to genetic testing, but no easy answers. The UNESCO International Bioethics Committee says that genetic testing can offer women the right of choice. However, it could also become routine that ill or disabled children are not to given the choice of birth at all.

So giving women choice whilst not devaluing individuals with Down's syndrome is a fine line to tread.

We must ensure that parents are given unbiased, updated information in order to make informed choices. There can be no assumption that those with Down's syndrome are not compatible with life - or worse, that they are too costly to have a right to life.

We are promised that the new NIPT can allow parents to be prepared for their baby's arrival and that it will not increase termination rates. However, in countries where Down's syndrome screening has been standard for years, termination rates stand at almost 100%. Are these tests being sold as a kind form of early euthanasia to trusting expectant parents - and will a whole genetic group of people be targeted in the process?

The support networks we have in place simply aren't as sophisticated as the genetic tests being considered. We must explain test implications and outcomes, support those who choose a termination and give equal care to those who choose to continue their pregnancies. We need charities that aren't partnered with the test manufacturers.

If parents are rushed into terminations, or asked repeatedly if they would like to end their pregnancies, then we are certainly sending out the message that some lives are worth a great deal less than others.

We need the screening committee to welcome input from parental groups and self-advocates. We need to match up the wonderful examples of best practice by bringing committed midwives and learning disability nurses together, and we need to accept the value of difference.

Society has come a long way from the days when children with Down's syndrome were institutionalised with little or no love, educational support or quality healthcare. We hope Natty will find employment she enjoys, have a partner of her choosing, a social life fuller than ours and live a long, healthy life independently with support.

I cannot bear to think that one day I will have to explain to Natty why others think her adored life is not worth living, or even justify her very existence. But here I am, already doing just that.

And, most of all, I fear that one day I will be grieving, as others celebrate the eradication of all children like my beautiful daughter. No Natty, maybe it's not OK.

The BBC is making a documentary about Down's syndrome, which Hayley Gowleniowska is contributing to. If you are affected by the tests and interested in an initial off-the-record research chat, please contact Clare at [email protected].

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Devilishpyjamas · 19/11/2015 09:07

You're okay owllady because you have a social worker Grin

A point about the social worker comment made earlier (partly because I think it's a common misconception - and we haven't had a social worker more than we have had one, and we can't seem to get an adult one for love nor money) but anyway; my social worker is very good at her job (many aren't tbh); I really like her & she understands our situation. BUT - she cannot magic up services out of thin air, nor does she get to decide which services ds1 can access - those decisions are made by people who have never met him & do not understand the consequences of their decisions. Having a social worker doesn't magically make everything okay (if you have a bad one it can make things worse).

BadlyBehavedShoppingTrolley · 19/11/2015 09:10

shesinfashion that was snide, spiteful and uncalled for and shows you have zero understanding of what it must be like caring for a child with autism. Lucky you eh?

BadlyBehavedShoppingTrolley · 19/11/2015 09:11

Oh I see you do. Well how peculiar to choose to snipe at someone inches amen position.

Devilishpyjamas · 19/11/2015 09:11

But I wonder if they'd have said the same before that experience? How many of them would have been lining up PRE CONCEPTION to join the worlds shortest queue of volunteers to choose to give birth to a profoundly disabled or otherwise compromised child? Just to ensure that life doesn't become 'sadder, less colourful and less amusing' and less varied for the rest of us?

Ds3 was an unplanned pregnancy. We decided to continue knowing that he was at high risk of being the same as ds1. So yes people do make that decision & understabding/living the difficulties doesn't mean that you suddenly see the light and terminate.

BadlyBehavedShoppingTrolley · 19/11/2015 09:11

Oh FFS. In the same position.

zzzzz · 19/11/2015 09:17

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BadlyBehavedShoppingTrolley · 19/11/2015 09:19

But they are already here, and need and deserve loving parents, and those parents desperately want and need a child to love. It's not the same as (hypothetically) volunteering to have a child with a disability PRE CONCEPTION, ie. actively choosing that.

Devilishpyjamas · 19/11/2015 09:22

I'm off out now - but I think for me it boils down to I like people with learning disabilites. I like hanging out in groups with people with learning disabilities. Despite the very real challenges of being the parebt of a child with SLD's I still like my life.

I don't care what individual decisions others make but yep - because I do like the LD world I would hate to see it go. Anyway I've done my bit to keeping it going Confused

BadlyBehavedShoppingTrolley · 19/11/2015 09:25

Although there was a thread on here recently where a poster admitted to actively trying to conceive a fourth child through IVF after being sterlised on her gynaecologist's advice. Even though she knew that any subsequent children would almost certainly suffer from the same quite horrible, painful and debilitating genetically inherited condition as her other children, and especially odd in light of the fact that she does nothing but complain about how awful and hard her life, how much pain her children are in and how she can't cope. There doesn't seem to be much fun around illness and disability in her house, that's for sure.

But then she is clearly not being at all rational and was told so in no uncertain terms on the thread. It's gone now, in case you were wondering.

Devilishpyjamas · 19/11/2015 09:25

Eh? Ds3 wasn't 'already there' - I found out I was pregnant with him at 4 weeks. We then had the 'high risk of disability' conversation & decided to go ahead anyway - knowing full well how bad it could be.

BadlyBehavedShoppingTrolley · 19/11/2015 09:30

I meant adopted children are 'already there' and get chosen. That's not the same as TTC KNOWING that that child will suffer from a disability or genetic condition, although I admit that would really depend on the nature and severity of the condition.

fanjoforthemammaries7850 · 19/11/2015 09:56

well you see i feel sorry for that poster.

As..having a hard time around illness and disability doesn't exempt you from being broody and wanting more children. Which can be a powerful urge and all consuming.

So I hope the "being told so in no uncertain terms" on the thread wasnt't TOO harsh, but i suspect it was.

Brocklady · 19/11/2015 09:57

I'm not calling anyone anything or implying that anyone is anything.

Some-not just owllady have used positive language to describe their experienced with disability and it doesn't correlate with mine.

I probably need to step back as I feel I am being laughed at.

fanjoforthemammaries7850 · 19/11/2015 09:59

Brocklady why would anyone laugh at your painful experiences?

If you are feeling like that then yes i agree its best to step back. Take care.

DixieNormas · 19/11/2015 10:00

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BadlyBehavedShoppingTrolley · 19/11/2015 10:11

I feel sorry for her too Fanjo an no it doesn't exempt her but it doesn't entitle her either. You would have to hope that at some point common sense would kick in. She already has three kids, putting more children through a life of certain chronic pain and suffering just to scratch some biological itch is entitled and cruel.

Brocklady · 19/11/2015 10:18

Why would anyone laugh at my painful experience?

I don't know. But we've had people 'PMSL' at my comments and taking the piss over 'at least you have a social worker so all must be all right' - even though that is NOT what I said or insinuated.

What I'm trying to explain is how terrifying it is to be solely responsible to someone disabled with no other support at all. It's like being on a roller coaster without a seatbelt; you're just hurled around at breakneck speed and have to cling on hoping you don't fall.

I don't see this 'colourful, amusing' world at all and I can't PMSL at it either.

DixieNormas · 19/11/2015 10:31

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SurferJet · 19/11/2015 10:31

Today 08:17 zzzzz

Do you think that's a good thing surfer?

I don't know in all honestly.
I don't think we need to bring severely disabled children into the world just to show how caring & compassionate we are, there's plenty of people suffering who could do with our help. But for me, ( & I would have aborted a DS baby ) I just didn't want the hassle of it all. I'm a very kind & caring person, but I didn't want the life long responsibility of a disabled child. I like having a social life, I like lazing around on the sofa all weekend if I feel like it, I like being 'me' - & if I'd had a disabled child I could have ended up resenting him or her - how awful is that? Or maybe having a disabled child would have enhanced my life more than I could ever imagine, I'll never know. They say a lot of early miscarriages happen because there was something wrong with the baby ( Down's syndrome included ) so nature eradicates a lot of disability anyway. I think that thought helps some parents come to terms with their decision to terminate.

Owllady · 19/11/2015 10:32

I wasn't laughing at you. You've aimed several comments at me and my experience and to be honest, I'm sixteen years on and its water off a ducks back.

Wrt the social worker comment, you would not believe how many parents who don't qualify for a social worker trot the line out to you, that you have a social worker and a care package, you are therefore lucky in some way. Only last year I had another mother say to me 'it's alright for you because when you have a child with a severe disability, you get everything. You even get a social worker' . Her child was closer developmentally to my own, younger child who was Neuro typical and I thought it was a really crass thing to say to someone who had a severely disabled child, but some people are so consumed with their own life they can't think outside of that remit.

Brocklady, have you looked into the voluntary sector wrt support for yourself, your brother? I'd question whether you are getting the right support and he is too. Have you ever been in touch with carers UK? We have a local charity that falls under their umbrella and they are instrumental in helping people get the correct level of support. I've obviously upset you by using positive language, but that's not my fault, it's just my experience now. I think you'd find my daughter funny as well. She might have severe sn but it hasn't affected her sense of fun. She's an individual though, not a campaign poster for the world of sn.

Brocklady · 19/11/2015 10:39

I don't think you're lucky at all, Owl, and as I've said before, I don't think it sounds easy!

However, there is a difference in cases that clearly need support and cases where it's not so clear cut and they both come with so many challenges and difficulties. But what I'm trying to explain is that we shouldn't assume having a disabled child will mean all will be fine and life will be enhanced as a result, I suppose. That's just as frustrating as people saying it isn't going to be fine - it's people making judgements for you which none of us want.

fanjoforthemammaries7850 · 19/11/2015 10:40

i like having a social life, I like lazing around on the sofa all weekend if I feel like it, I like being 'me

I still have a social life and am me. And am currently lazing on sofa while DD is at school (due to me being il) today.

fanjoforthemammaries7850 · 19/11/2015 10:42

It's hard yes and hard for some, but also it's not a given that life will be like a ghastly "being a special needs mommy" meme on FB.

Just looking at whole picture.

fanjoforthemammaries7850 · 19/11/2015 10:43

Nothing is clearcut.

To say so is not being judgmental or belittling anyone's painful experience.

SurferJet · 19/11/2015 10:49

Fanjo - when I say 'social life' I don't mean spending a few hours on Facebook, I mean flying out to New York for the weekend.

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