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Guest post: "I fear the eradication of Down's syndrome"

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MumsnetGuestPosts · 16/11/2015 17:29

On the day Natty was born, I wasn't sure I was up to being her mother. Ignorance took over. Everything I thought I knew about Down's syndrome was a smattering of outdated stereotypes, all of which have subsequently been proved wrong.

In eight years, we have come so far as a family, risen to challenges, endured heart surgery, made adjustments and learnt to slow our pace and live in the moment. I wouldn't change any of it. I am a better person now. The pregnant woman I was, whose heart was filled with fear at the words Down's syndrome, now shakes her head in disbelief.

I've been bleary-eyed over research for this post. And, in fact, as I rose at 5.30am, drafts of what I would write very much in my mind, there was one member of our busy household who noticed my pensiveness. Natty drew me down to her face level, looked intuitively at me and said 'It's OK Mummy.'

I held her so tight, and made a silent promise into her warm hair, a promise that I would do my best to convey her worth to the world.

Because while we praise advances in healthcare and women's control over their reproductive lives, there is an important ethical debate I fear is being overlooked.

A new non-invasive prenatal test (NIPT) could help identify women whose babies have Down's syndrome. The test involves taking a sample of blood from the mother and it uses this to detect the baby's DNA.

At the moment, the NIPT test is available privately, but it could soon be rolled out by the NHS as part of their population screening programme. The UK National Screening Committee has just ended consultation over offering it - it can only be added to the programme if there is a beneficial reason for doing so.

However, there is no health gain in diagnosing Down's syndrome during pregnancy. It cannot be treated or prevented. It simply allows parents to decide whether to continue a pregnancy to term or not.

There are ethical implications to genetic testing, but no easy answers. The UNESCO International Bioethics Committee says that genetic testing can offer women the right of choice. However, it could also become routine that ill or disabled children are not to given the choice of birth at all.

So giving women choice whilst not devaluing individuals with Down's syndrome is a fine line to tread.

We must ensure that parents are given unbiased, updated information in order to make informed choices. There can be no assumption that those with Down's syndrome are not compatible with life - or worse, that they are too costly to have a right to life.

We are promised that the new NIPT can allow parents to be prepared for their baby's arrival and that it will not increase termination rates. However, in countries where Down's syndrome screening has been standard for years, termination rates stand at almost 100%. Are these tests being sold as a kind form of early euthanasia to trusting expectant parents - and will a whole genetic group of people be targeted in the process?

The support networks we have in place simply aren't as sophisticated as the genetic tests being considered. We must explain test implications and outcomes, support those who choose a termination and give equal care to those who choose to continue their pregnancies. We need charities that aren't partnered with the test manufacturers.

If parents are rushed into terminations, or asked repeatedly if they would like to end their pregnancies, then we are certainly sending out the message that some lives are worth a great deal less than others.

We need the screening committee to welcome input from parental groups and self-advocates. We need to match up the wonderful examples of best practice by bringing committed midwives and learning disability nurses together, and we need to accept the value of difference.

Society has come a long way from the days when children with Down's syndrome were institutionalised with little or no love, educational support or quality healthcare. We hope Natty will find employment she enjoys, have a partner of her choosing, a social life fuller than ours and live a long, healthy life independently with support.

I cannot bear to think that one day I will have to explain to Natty why others think her adored life is not worth living, or even justify her very existence. But here I am, already doing just that.

And, most of all, I fear that one day I will be grieving, as others celebrate the eradication of all children like my beautiful daughter. No Natty, maybe it's not OK.

The BBC is making a documentary about Down's syndrome, which Hayley Gowleniowska is contributing to. If you are affected by the tests and interested in an initial off-the-record research chat, please contact Clare at [email protected].

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Shesinfashion · 19/11/2015 08:09

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Devilishpyjamas · 19/11/2015 08:10

Wrt accurate info. When I was pregnant with ds1 we decided we would terminate for T13 or T18. Then after ds1 was born I found out further information that completely changed my view & I would not have terminated for T13 or T18. I'm just pleased I hadn't made my decision on incorrect info.

Any termination after 20 weeks must have the potential to be horrendous, but I do support it for any reason up to birth - certainly don't think it can be easy or that people who choose that are monsters :(

fanjoforthemammaries7850 · 19/11/2015 08:13

I wont dignify that with an answer.

zzzzz · 19/11/2015 08:17

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fanjoforthemammaries7850 · 19/11/2015 08:18

Thanks zzz. I need several real ones today.

fanjoforthemammaries7850 · 19/11/2015 08:23

Anyone else feel the need to drop by and have a random swipe at me?

fanjoforthemammaries7850 · 19/11/2015 08:27

I will say one thing. .shesinfashion since you claim to have a child with ASD you will know they a) don't sleep and b) like to so their own thing for periods of time.

Not that my free time is anything to do with this thread or you.

:)

crumblybiscuits · 19/11/2015 08:29

Alys Flowers I'm sorry you had to read that. The whole thing of "people who have feelings" was a ridiculous notion. People simply do not understand the emotional intricacies of tfmr unless they have been through it.

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Shesinfashion · 19/11/2015 08:35

My DD is high functioning. Great eh? Apart from the world frightens, bewilders her and isolates her daily. I imagine it will only get worse as she matures and social situations around her become more complex. Would I have terminated if I'd known in pregnancy? No. But I reserve the right for anymore else to.

fanjoforthemammaries7850 · 19/11/2015 08:37

So do I.

But don't let that stop you projecting your issues onto me and laying into me.

Brocklady · 19/11/2015 08:39

My point is not to state anything personal to Devilish or to anybody but all the way through this thread I have read 'amusing' 'lovely' relating to disabilities and that world and I am sorry but it doesn't remotely correlate with the world I live in or that of my brother.

expatinscotland · 19/11/2015 08:43

'shesinfashion since you claim to have a child with ASD you will know they a) don't sleep and b) like to so their own thing for periods of time.'

Mine sleeps well and, like shes, asks repetitive questions on a loop feed all day.

fanjoforthemammaries7850 · 19/11/2015 08:44

Oh god. I should have said SOME dont sleep well.

Ie mine. Since I was responding to accusations about only havin a few hours sleep.

Not making wild generalisations about all kids with ASD just out of the blue.

I missed one word.

fanjoforthemammaries7850 · 19/11/2015 08:45

Indeed I think it is a fact that most kids with ASD tend towards sleeping less well than those without.

Not sure why I am even having to defend what I said though .

Devilishpyjamas · 19/11/2015 08:47

And all the way through this thread I have said that my son's life isn't easy. So I don't know why I'm being portrayed in the fluffy camp. There's nothing fluffy about broken fingers, being harnessed into cars like Hannibal Lecter or being covered in bruises. There's nothing fluffy about not being able to acess your favourite activities.

My position is that despite the very real challenges that learning disability brings (& as I have said I am talking specifically about learning disabilities - I have no exierience of other disabilities) I would hate to see a world rid of people with learning disabilities. I think it would be a sadder, greyer place for it. I hope people with learning disabilities will always be part of the world & I hope their lives start to attract the value & support they need.

Owllady · 19/11/2015 08:50

Oh I think I'm the fluffy, severe disability lite person. I've never been criticised for being positive or happy before. Maybe I need to be brought down a peg or two :o

I could list all the negatives but I'm not going to be any more factual for reasons of my daughter's dignity.

I was also a sibling to someone with a chronic, painful disease. My feelings don't trump anyone else's, they are just my experiences, just like other people's are theirs. There really is no need to be personal about other posters and nor is the need to pick apart their lives. It's really not very dignified :(

Devilishpyjamas · 19/11/2015 08:51

I'm confused now at where this thread is heading. My son is non-verbal but gets me to say 'bin tomorrow' 'mummy walk

Devilishpyjamas · 19/11/2015 08:52

Pmsl at owllady being fluffy

fanjoforthemammaries7850 · 19/11/2015 08:54

Shes if you are struggling I'd indeed be happy to support you.

Lashing out at me is not the answer.

Owllady · 19/11/2015 08:56

I'm a bit concerned at some point I'm going to be called a martyr :o it might be preferable to someone questioning my sleep patterns though....

OrangeNoodle · 19/11/2015 09:04

I don't think anyone on this thread has said that disability is amusing or lovely.

A variety of experience has been posted here, highlighting that life with disability can be hard but it can also be fulfilling and enjoyable, despite the disability.

I asked the question up thread, what would we become as humans if we try to eliminate perfection. Personally, my view is that we would be all the lesser for it.

OrangeNoodle · 19/11/2015 09:04

*imperfection!

BadlyBehavedShoppingTrolley · 19/11/2015 09:07

zzz I think a world without disability would be desirable, yes, but that doesn't mean I think people already living with disability are worthless. It just means I don't wish more disability on anyone else. Who would? Anyone who disagrees probably does so from the perspective of the OP, already being disabled or parenting a disabled child because they can't imagine their life without the love and joy that person brings to them.

But I wonder if they'd have said the same before that experience? How many of them would have been lining up PRE CONCEPTION to join the worlds shortest queue of volunteers to choose to give birth to a profoundly disabled or otherwise compromised child? Just to ensure that life doesn't become 'sadder, less colourful and less amusing' and less varied for the rest of us? Confused

People who go ahead with the PG knowing their child will be compromised in some way don't do it because they want a poorly or disabled child, or because they celebrate and value disability generally, but because on some fundamental, primeval level they can't bear to not have THAT child, irrespective of the disability.

They don't do it as an example or a favour to the rest of us by ensuring that someone is still prepared to provide 'colour and variety' to the world. And I will wager that if each of them had been given a magic wand in pregnancy and told they could wave away the risk of disability or condition in their child then they would have done.

There will always be disability though because pre conception screening antenatal testing doesn't cover everything. It will only help reduce certain disabilities and genetic conditions so when you ask that question 'is a world without disability desirable' you are actually asking something that could never and will never be a reality anyway.

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