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Guest post: "I fear the eradication of Down's syndrome"

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MumsnetGuestPosts · 16/11/2015 17:29

On the day Natty was born, I wasn't sure I was up to being her mother. Ignorance took over. Everything I thought I knew about Down's syndrome was a smattering of outdated stereotypes, all of which have subsequently been proved wrong.

In eight years, we have come so far as a family, risen to challenges, endured heart surgery, made adjustments and learnt to slow our pace and live in the moment. I wouldn't change any of it. I am a better person now. The pregnant woman I was, whose heart was filled with fear at the words Down's syndrome, now shakes her head in disbelief.

I've been bleary-eyed over research for this post. And, in fact, as I rose at 5.30am, drafts of what I would write very much in my mind, there was one member of our busy household who noticed my pensiveness. Natty drew me down to her face level, looked intuitively at me and said 'It's OK Mummy.'

I held her so tight, and made a silent promise into her warm hair, a promise that I would do my best to convey her worth to the world.

Because while we praise advances in healthcare and women's control over their reproductive lives, there is an important ethical debate I fear is being overlooked.

A new non-invasive prenatal test (NIPT) could help identify women whose babies have Down's syndrome. The test involves taking a sample of blood from the mother and it uses this to detect the baby's DNA.

At the moment, the NIPT test is available privately, but it could soon be rolled out by the NHS as part of their population screening programme. The UK National Screening Committee has just ended consultation over offering it - it can only be added to the programme if there is a beneficial reason for doing so.

However, there is no health gain in diagnosing Down's syndrome during pregnancy. It cannot be treated or prevented. It simply allows parents to decide whether to continue a pregnancy to term or not.

There are ethical implications to genetic testing, but no easy answers. The UNESCO International Bioethics Committee says that genetic testing can offer women the right of choice. However, it could also become routine that ill or disabled children are not to given the choice of birth at all.

So giving women choice whilst not devaluing individuals with Down's syndrome is a fine line to tread.

We must ensure that parents are given unbiased, updated information in order to make informed choices. There can be no assumption that those with Down's syndrome are not compatible with life - or worse, that they are too costly to have a right to life.

We are promised that the new NIPT can allow parents to be prepared for their baby's arrival and that it will not increase termination rates. However, in countries where Down's syndrome screening has been standard for years, termination rates stand at almost 100%. Are these tests being sold as a kind form of early euthanasia to trusting expectant parents - and will a whole genetic group of people be targeted in the process?

The support networks we have in place simply aren't as sophisticated as the genetic tests being considered. We must explain test implications and outcomes, support those who choose a termination and give equal care to those who choose to continue their pregnancies. We need charities that aren't partnered with the test manufacturers.

If parents are rushed into terminations, or asked repeatedly if they would like to end their pregnancies, then we are certainly sending out the message that some lives are worth a great deal less than others.

We need the screening committee to welcome input from parental groups and self-advocates. We need to match up the wonderful examples of best practice by bringing committed midwives and learning disability nurses together, and we need to accept the value of difference.

Society has come a long way from the days when children with Down's syndrome were institutionalised with little or no love, educational support or quality healthcare. We hope Natty will find employment she enjoys, have a partner of her choosing, a social life fuller than ours and live a long, healthy life independently with support.

I cannot bear to think that one day I will have to explain to Natty why others think her adored life is not worth living, or even justify her very existence. But here I am, already doing just that.

And, most of all, I fear that one day I will be grieving, as others celebrate the eradication of all children like my beautiful daughter. No Natty, maybe it's not OK.

The BBC is making a documentary about Down's syndrome, which Hayley Gowleniowska is contributing to. If you are affected by the tests and interested in an initial off-the-record research chat, please contact Clare at [email protected].

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DixieNormas · 18/11/2015 21:33

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fanjoforthemammaries7850 · 18/11/2015 21:33

Hardly nasty crumbly. It's just the only reason I can think of for people being so ridiculously defensive and seeing offence and judgment where none was meant. Massive projection. I don't know any of you and have no clue about your decisions. It's all ridiculous.

fanjoforthemammaries7850 · 18/11/2015 21:34

I wasn't defending my child. I was hoping to correct assumption that having a child with SN is ALWAYS dreadful.

Devilishpyjamas · 18/11/2015 21:35

Or one I've heard on here Owllady (years ago - a particular poster used to use it as an example repeatedly - talking about her aunt) 'her son with DS is the light of her life, he's an adult now, but there's no way I'd want that & really her life has been dreadful & ruined by him. She wouldn't agree, but she's wrong I can see how terrible her life has been' (paraphrased)

Fuck off & when you get there fuck off again. How dare you judge someone else's assessment of their own life & what their own son has brought to it.

Brocklady · 18/11/2015 21:36

But fanjo, if you are stating that if people only knew the reality then they would make a different decision, people do seek to defend their decision.

As I have said, sometimes people know the reality and that informs their decision.

The truth is no one knows. We all just do what is right at the time and so many times there isn't a right or a wrong decision, just a decision that has to be lived with and accepted.

Owllady · 18/11/2015 21:37

I also think if you wonder why parent carers get defensive, it might be worth just spending a day out with one! I don't even notice the staring at all now (neither do my other children) but people still think it's okay to make really nasty comments directed towards you/your child, especially when adrenaline is high. I can think of the most challenging times, people (in general) were the least understanding and rude directly to us, even if we weren't interfering with them. So I think really, parents dealing with that on a regular basis will read a negative post detailing their life and respond in a manner of defence. I suppose it's human nature, it doesn't need to be picked over.

fanjoforthemammaries7850 · 18/11/2015 21:38

Anyway am off to bed.

I am secure in knowledge I wasn't judging anyone.

Am judging people for refusing to take my word for it and being determined to project motives I don't have onto me though.

I wish you all peace and happy lives.

Alyselisabeth · 18/11/2015 21:38

Just for the record I do not in any way regret my decision. And it's unfair for you to assume.

If you are not being judgmental then maybe try to word things in a way that doesn't sound like you are.

And not all people who have tfmr have talked about the sufferings of people they know with dc. I know I didn't, that never came into it. I've said the whole way through that it just boils down to what is best for YOUR family.

Individual choices.

Brocklady · 18/11/2015 21:39

I'm sorry that happens Owl - it's astonishing people can be so rude.

fanjoforthemammaries7850 · 18/11/2015 21:39

At most I wish society supported people with disabilities better and didn't view them as an unproductive drain. Anyway night all.

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Owllady · 18/11/2015 21:41

Ah yes jimjams, the poor hapless 'sn mum' She can't really be happy. She hasn't found herself in India or had the Grosvenor' s round for supper

fanjoforthemammaries7850 · 18/11/2015 21:41

Alys I will word things exactly as I see fit. If you feel I am judgmental when I am not then it's because you are sensitive and defensive. Which I don't feel you should be as I'm pro choice. But isn't really my personal fault but your own issue. So I hope you find peace in yourself and realise you don't need to be defensive.

fanjoforthemammaries7850 · 18/11/2015 21:43

Thank you dixie. Thanks

Off to bed. I hope people read what I say and accept I am not judging them. And if I think they haven't accepted their decision that's not a judgment on them as I believe everyone does the best they can. Big maxim of mine. I hope everyone finds peace.

DixieNormas · 18/11/2015 21:44

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Alyselisabeth · 18/11/2015 21:49

So it's okay to defend your choices but not okay for me to defend mine?
It's okay for you to tell people they regret their decisions and that they have made an uninformed choice and that we are missing out, as though our lives are somehow less fulfilled because we chose not to have a dc.

Anyway, like you say you weren't judging so We'll leave it there shall we? But know I am content with the decision I made and I will defend that as much as I need too

People who stare and say nasty comments are not nice people. And I'm truly sorry that happens.

vic1981 · 18/11/2015 21:50

"Alys I will word things exactly as I see fit. If you feel I am judgemental when I am not then it's because you are sensitive and defensive".
This is pretty bloody judgy!

Owllady · 18/11/2015 21:51

On the flip side to my defensive post. I had to go to sainsburys after hydro and those wheelchair trolleys are crap! I was going down the ramp after shopping and the wheelchair wheels went the wrong way and locked, dd was squealing with laughter and I could not get it unlocked...and not one, but two young men men came to our rescue

fanjoforthemammaries7850 · 18/11/2015 21:52

You missed the part where I say I didn't make a choice.

Anyway rail away if you want. Am off to bed.

DixieNormas · 18/11/2015 21:52

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fanjoforthemammaries7850 · 18/11/2015 21:54

Yes dixie. You would hope when I say I am not getting at people they might accept it at face value and let it lie. But hey ho. Can't change that.

DixieNormas · 18/11/2015 21:55

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HootOnTheBeach · 18/11/2015 21:55

What never ceases to amaze me about wonderful parents such as yourself is that you consistently overlook the fact that it is not you who has to live with a disability.

I am disabled and it's not something that can be tested for but I have always resented my mum for having me nonetheless.

For all intents and purposes I am a functioning member of society with a job and a partner and a flat and a horrible commute. But I am always in pain and I am limited in what I can do. My mum is not the one who has to deal with the pain, the frustration and self-loathing (top feature of the teen years).

You never think outside of yourself; you never consider how difficult it may be for a child (and eventually adult) to live with a disability day in, day out. Forever. No break, no relief. You seem to think that love is enough. Let me tell you that it is not.

It is frustrating and exhausting trying to explain this to people who can't seem to fathom that sometimes kindness can look like cruelty.

Owllady · 18/11/2015 21:56

Fanjo we didn't make a choice either, I think the choice thing is a popular misconception and which is annoying too. I think only a calmer discussion 're this could happen face to face tbh. I think written word is much more cutting, lacking empathy, body language, facial expression. Both sides and in between

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