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Guest post: "I fear the eradication of Down's syndrome"

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MumsnetGuestPosts · 16/11/2015 17:29

On the day Natty was born, I wasn't sure I was up to being her mother. Ignorance took over. Everything I thought I knew about Down's syndrome was a smattering of outdated stereotypes, all of which have subsequently been proved wrong.

In eight years, we have come so far as a family, risen to challenges, endured heart surgery, made adjustments and learnt to slow our pace and live in the moment. I wouldn't change any of it. I am a better person now. The pregnant woman I was, whose heart was filled with fear at the words Down's syndrome, now shakes her head in disbelief.

I've been bleary-eyed over research for this post. And, in fact, as I rose at 5.30am, drafts of what I would write very much in my mind, there was one member of our busy household who noticed my pensiveness. Natty drew me down to her face level, looked intuitively at me and said 'It's OK Mummy.'

I held her so tight, and made a silent promise into her warm hair, a promise that I would do my best to convey her worth to the world.

Because while we praise advances in healthcare and women's control over their reproductive lives, there is an important ethical debate I fear is being overlooked.

A new non-invasive prenatal test (NIPT) could help identify women whose babies have Down's syndrome. The test involves taking a sample of blood from the mother and it uses this to detect the baby's DNA.

At the moment, the NIPT test is available privately, but it could soon be rolled out by the NHS as part of their population screening programme. The UK National Screening Committee has just ended consultation over offering it - it can only be added to the programme if there is a beneficial reason for doing so.

However, there is no health gain in diagnosing Down's syndrome during pregnancy. It cannot be treated or prevented. It simply allows parents to decide whether to continue a pregnancy to term or not.

There are ethical implications to genetic testing, but no easy answers. The UNESCO International Bioethics Committee says that genetic testing can offer women the right of choice. However, it could also become routine that ill or disabled children are not to given the choice of birth at all.

So giving women choice whilst not devaluing individuals with Down's syndrome is a fine line to tread.

We must ensure that parents are given unbiased, updated information in order to make informed choices. There can be no assumption that those with Down's syndrome are not compatible with life - or worse, that they are too costly to have a right to life.

We are promised that the new NIPT can allow parents to be prepared for their baby's arrival and that it will not increase termination rates. However, in countries where Down's syndrome screening has been standard for years, termination rates stand at almost 100%. Are these tests being sold as a kind form of early euthanasia to trusting expectant parents - and will a whole genetic group of people be targeted in the process?

The support networks we have in place simply aren't as sophisticated as the genetic tests being considered. We must explain test implications and outcomes, support those who choose a termination and give equal care to those who choose to continue their pregnancies. We need charities that aren't partnered with the test manufacturers.

If parents are rushed into terminations, or asked repeatedly if they would like to end their pregnancies, then we are certainly sending out the message that some lives are worth a great deal less than others.

We need the screening committee to welcome input from parental groups and self-advocates. We need to match up the wonderful examples of best practice by bringing committed midwives and learning disability nurses together, and we need to accept the value of difference.

Society has come a long way from the days when children with Down's syndrome were institutionalised with little or no love, educational support or quality healthcare. We hope Natty will find employment she enjoys, have a partner of her choosing, a social life fuller than ours and live a long, healthy life independently with support.

I cannot bear to think that one day I will have to explain to Natty why others think her adored life is not worth living, or even justify her very existence. But here I am, already doing just that.

And, most of all, I fear that one day I will be grieving, as others celebrate the eradication of all children like my beautiful daughter. No Natty, maybe it's not OK.

The BBC is making a documentary about Down's syndrome, which Hayley Gowleniowska is contributing to. If you are affected by the tests and interested in an initial off-the-record research chat, please contact Clare at [email protected].

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Brocklady · 18/11/2015 21:10

The problem is that it is massively individual.

A few months ago I was reading a thread on here by a woman who had been left by her partner and was pregnant, terrified and alone. She was considering terminating her pregnancy. The posts were overwhelmingly supportive and telling her she would cope, she would be fine.

Now there is a thread by a single mother who is looking for childcare when she goes back to work and the posts are loaded with ominous threats about it 'getting harder' and backup plans being needed and how one cannot possibly expect childcare that operates even slightly outside of normal working hours!

My point? That sometimes and with the loveliest of intentions people can be misleading.

In this country we assume people have the right to choose for themselves. Maybe they do decide to end a pregnancy because of downs but they might also choose to end a pregnancy because a condom split, their relationship ended, they changed their mind or they booked a holiday.

I might sometimes think it's a stupid reason but they don't need a reason outside of 'I don't want to continue the pregnancy.'

Everyone's experiences of parenting a child with a disability will be as individual as everyone's experience of parenting.

fanjoforthemammaries7850 · 18/11/2015 21:10

Crumbly maybe you are misunderstanding the word shame.

I mean (as I said I'm not sure if it's because I am Scottish and the phrase is maybe a local one) I feel a bit worried for people if they have made a choice which means they would miss out, thinking they were doing the best thing. In case it wasn't really the best choice for them.

Devilishpyjamas · 18/11/2015 21:11

And an expensive burden on society at that. You're told you don't deserve your 'free' car, school transport (which we now have to pay for incidentally), your DLA. Why should you get all that for free?

And as for the LA's. Mine think I'm a total harridan.

I've never felt particularly admited for having a learning disabled child - far from it. Blimey.

Brocklady · 18/11/2015 21:12

But fanjo that's a really patronising stance to take, assuming that if everyone only knew what you knew they would make a different decision!

It's quite possible they not only know quite a lot about raising a child with disabilities but that said knowledge informed their decision.

fanjoforthemammaries7850 · 18/11/2015 21:12

Alys with respect I know if I am judging someone and I am not. You missed the post where I said my good friend did this.

You are understandably sensitive about this but still. .I am nothe judging anyone. Know this.

fanjoforthemammaries7850 · 18/11/2015 21:13

Brock well I think it's fine really given that I don't tell people what to do but I just worry for them a bit in a nice way.

fanjoforthemammaries7850 · 18/11/2015 21:13

I am not perfect but I refuse to be told I am not pro choice and not supportive of women. That is very insulting indeed.

fanjoforthemammaries7850 · 18/11/2015 21:14

I don't see the point in continuing here as I think some people are very defensive and seeing judgment where none exists.

crumblybiscuits · 18/11/2015 21:15

But none of us can say what was the best choice for anyone apart from ourselves.

Devilishpyjamas · 18/11/2015 21:16

I couldn't care less why someone terminated a pregnancy.

I just ask they don't do the 'wouldn't be fair on the other children' in front of my learning disabled child. Or use my so called awful life as justification for termination. As I said previously I'm happier than many people with far fewer challenges. Make your own decisions but don't drag me or my sons into it!

Brocklady · 18/11/2015 21:16

It's understandable people will feel defensive on both sides of this debate but they shouldn't.

It is simple: do what you feel is right for you and for your families.

For some they will be to end the pregnancy.

For others it will be to continue.

Both will bring sadness in some ways, joy in others, but there is no right or wrong here, only what is.

vic1981 · 18/11/2015 21:17

Fanjo, I agree with Crumbly. The use of the word "shame" seems an ill advised one.

fanjoforthemammaries7850 · 18/11/2015 21:18

Vic well I am from Edinburgh and "it's a shame" is actually a warm fluffy and concerned phrase so if people take the other meaning from it despite me explaining it then there's nothing I can do.

fanjoforthemammaries7850 · 18/11/2015 21:19

It's called dialect. If people are projecting things onto it then that's their own issue.

OrangeNoodle · 18/11/2015 21:20

Fanjo I'm from Cornwall via London and I understand your usage of the word. It's pretty standard!

Devilishpyjamas · 18/11/2015 21:20

I'm from the opposite end of the UK than you fanjo & use 'it's a shame' in the way you do.

Brocklady · 18/11/2015 21:21

Well - that's surprising, that posters on one side of the debate interpret it one way and posters on the other interpret it the other.

fanjoforthemammaries7850 · 18/11/2015 21:22

Yes I thought it was. But then when people were misinterpreting it I thought it couldn't be.

I guess the word shame just makes people defensive even out of context.Or some people are being wilfully obtuse.

It's actually a ridiculous way of having a go at me. Can't even answer it as it doesn't make sense.

fanjoforthemammaries7850 · 18/11/2015 21:23

I suggest people are not happy with their decisions and are therefore being over defensive. Their decisions are up to them though. So projecting judgment onto me is not on.

fanjoforthemammaries7850 · 18/11/2015 21:24

I guess as usual on MN some people are just desperate to have a bunfight

vic1981 · 18/11/2015 21:25

I just wanted to point out that what you have said is ambiguous, with different posters obviously reading it in different ways! With such a sensitive subject, I think it is best to be clear, to minimise upset.Smile

Brocklady · 18/11/2015 21:26

I think that is completely unfair actually Fanjo.

I think most people on this particular discussion have tried hard to be very respectful, which isn't always easy in such emotive discussions.

crumblybiscuits · 18/11/2015 21:26

I suggest people are not happy with their decisions

What a bloody awful thing to say. Are you getting defensive as you are not happy with your decision?

Owllady · 18/11/2015 21:28

As I've said before, most people don't have a choice.
I think I'm a pretty resilient person given my history which I don't care to divulge. But I really dislike the assumption on my life too, if we're all going to be honest.
People can have a termination (for whatever reason) without bringing me and my family into it. Can't people just say I didn't want a disabled baby and all that that entails without saying my friend has a child with sn and she's so miserable and blah blah. Your friend is letting you in because she trusts you and she trusts you not to judge her. It's just unfortunate you do.
I'd grab you by the pubes and set fire to your eyebrows if I heard you say that about me

I don't think anyone has a right to make a judgement on someone else's life when it comes to disability esp LD's or their family. Use your energy doing something useful. If you think lives are hard for children/adults with SLDs why don't you use your energy to do something about it? You obviously feel strong enough about how hard it is, so it's best to use that in a positive way (not necessarily you brocklady, you sound like you have enough on your plate)

fanjoforthemammaries7850 · 18/11/2015 21:32

I didn't make a decision. Dd regressed atnearly 3. You can all think I am nasty or whatever. I wasn't being. But nothing I can say will convince you. So feel free to demonise me. :)