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Guest post: Sandi Toksvig - "The time is right for the Women's Equality Party"

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MumsnetGuestPosts · 06/11/2015 17:49

I'm rather old fashioned in my beliefs. I always thought that when Parliament passed a law, people were supposed to take notice. So how is it that 45 years ago an Equal Pay Act was introduced, and yet no one has really acted to make sure we get it? When I mentioned the gender pay gap to the environment minister, Liz Truss, she said "It's smaller than it's ever been." It's at 19%. How big was it before?

Much of the world baffles me. How does the UK tolerate the fact that so many women because they are women still live in poverty, suffer harassment and violence, and abandon careers they enjoy because of the exorbitant costs of childcare? I've come to the sad conclusion that in its current form our political system can't be trusted to deal with any of this. There are twice as many men as women in the House of Commons, and they seem to spend most of their time shouting and jeering at one another. Frankly, like many of you, I'm embarrassed by it. Seven months ago, in conversation with my friend Catherine Mayer, I realised it was time for us to take matters into our own hands.

So in March 2015 we founded the Women's Equality Party, a new political force that (we hoped) would unite people of all genders, ages, backgrounds, ethnicities, beliefs and experiences in the shared determination to see women enjoy the same rights and opportunities as men. It would be something new. Non-partisan. Attracting people from the left, from the right, from the centre. People who have had enough of waiting for equality. I have to say even at my most ambitious and optimistic, I could not have predicted the flood of support that soon washed over us. Within seven months WE have more than 50,000 members and supporters, ably led by Sophie Walker, 65 branches across the country and will be standing candidates in the spring elections.

This is not some dreamy group wistfully hoping for change. Late last month, just six months after that initial conversation, I found myself sitting in a hall packed with cheering activists and supporters, clutching a book of wonderfully pragmatic policy proposals. Policies developed through close consultation with experts and our members, and representing the experiences and concerns of thousands of women and men across the country.

WE heard from mothers who want to go back to work but can't, because of crippling childcare costs, and because so few workplaces have actually embraced flexible working.

WE heard from mothers who choose to stay at home, but feel dismissed by society for doing so because, despite its immense value, caring labour is still not recognised, respected and supported.

WE heard from fathers who desperately want to share the joys and responsibilities of parenthood, but are stigmatised for wanting to balance work and home life.

All these experiences reinforced our awareness that care is not taken seriously in our society, nor are the people who care.

WE want to change that.

That's why we propose a dramatic overhaul of parental leave policy. We would guarantee both parents six weeks of non-transferable leave on 90% pay, with an additional 10 months of shared parental leave at statutory pay. This policy would, of course, encompass same-sex couples and adoptive parents, while single parents would be entitled to nominate a second caregiver.

Once this period of leave has passed, WE believe that families should immediately have access to affordable, high-quality childcare. The educational benefits of childcare are clearest in the first 15 hours a week, so those hours should be entirely state funded, with the rest payable at one pound per hour by parents.

These policies are good for women, who have greater freedom to balance work and home life (which will, of course, mean different things to different people). But they're also excellent for men who, for too long, have been excluded from participating fully in family life because care is seen as unmanly, and paternity leave as unprofessional.

Of course, all of our policies require a blend of legislative and cultural change. The reason the Equal Pay Act still isn't working properly is because back in 1970 we changed the law without changing the way people think.

And that's where education comes in.

Many people think equality in education has already been achieved, since girls consistently outperform boys academically. But education is about more than grades, it's about learning how to live, and work, and build relationships. And at present, our children are learning to live according to ludicrous, outdated notions of 'masculine' and 'feminine' behaviour.

So WE want more diverse role models for both boys and girls, starting with encouraging more men to enter primary school teaching and other caring roles. And WE want careers guidance that pays no heed to gender when helping young people to map their futures. And WE want proper, honest sex and relationships education to finally become a reality.

It all sounds very obvious and straightforward, doesn't it? Sadly, enacting these policies will be a lot harder than formulating them. And that's why WE need you. Join us, share your ideas. The time is right for this movement, and WE want you to be part of it.

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almondpudding · 12/11/2015 07:51

I don't think it is clear that these are policies that women support.

There are very few policies on the WEP website. Some of them are ones that many women on here have opposed.

The policy that men should have greater access to maternity wards (sleeping over etc) was something huge numbers of women on here made it clear they did not want. Very many women do not want to be on open wards sleeping next to other people's partners who could be anyone - violent offenders etc. Yet WEP has this as a policy as if it benefits women.

The WEP's policy on this thread says that parental leave may be shared with another person if the mother is single, but that is not mentioned in their leave policy on their own site. So are they intending to discriminate against single mothers by only offering shared leave to couples or not? Also, why aren't women in couples allowed to share leave with a person other than their partner? What if their partner won't help them? Why can't they share leave with someone supportive? This all seems to be about making women responsible for making arrangements with men rather than giving them a range of options. It doesn't resemble at all the actual patterns of how women deal with childcare issues - often with the help of extended family and grandparents rather than partners.

So let's face it, men are yet again being given all manner of incentives to participate in child care of their own children while extended family, usually women - grandmothers, will still be expected to do it for free with no protection in the workplace.

And the sex education policy is so vague as to be meaningless.

I can see that lots of men would support these policies that give them greater rights. I don't see what is in it for most women.

And all this focus on getting women back straight after maternity leave is great for such women who want to do that. What about all the women who don't want that but would like to go into a decent job after being at home with kids. If you have kids at eighteen are you unemployable entering the work force at 28. Why? Where is the anti discrimination law and policies to help them?

Why should women in general get behind a very narrow set of policies aimed at helping a particular sort of woman?

dontcallmecis · 12/11/2015 08:00

When birthing literature is being edited out to eliminate the word 'woman' in place of 'pregnant person' or some such bullshit, when talk of pregnancy, menopause, menstruation etc is deemed cissexist, when feminists like Germain Greer who support Deo and Whenshewas in their thinking (ignore it, not our issue), are no-platformed, well I think we ignore it at our peril.

I'd love to ignore it. I don't think it's wise.

dontcallmecis · 12/11/2015 08:02

And when men can simply change their sex by asserting that they just are women, well, I can't ignore that.

It's not legislated in my country. Yet. I'll fight like hell against it.

venusinscorpio · 12/11/2015 08:09

Agree also about the maternity ward policy being against the rights of the other women on the ward. I didn't know about that one. I like "Whatever Equality Party". Sums it up.

almondpudding · 12/11/2015 08:23

Here, under their stand up for dads objective:

"Even hospitals don’t seem to take dads seriously. Many treat new fathers and new co-parents as visitors who have to stick to visiting hours or at best sleep in a chair. All new mums should be allowed a partner with them 24-7 if they choose."

They are treated like visitors because they are visitors! The woman is the patient. She is the one receiving the medical care. Women have a right to privacy. Just because I have a uterus I shouldn't lose that privacy that other patients have.

And that is the problem here, isn't it? The WEP is treating woman as a gender identity not a group of female bodied people. There is no policy on miscarriage, infertility or maternity other than stand up for dads.

Why don't you stand up for women and sort out women's healthcare?

venusinscorpio · 12/11/2015 08:28

If people want to stand up for Dads there are lots of MRA organisations they can join. Or they can start the Dads Equality Party.

BeyondThirty · 12/11/2015 08:35

Or they could go with any of the main, dominantly male, parties..,

BeyondThirty · 12/11/2015 08:36

Poor men, noone speaks for them

dontcallmecis · 12/11/2015 08:37

Goodness, they really haven't thought things through, have they?

TheCountessofFitzdotterel · 12/11/2015 08:37

I guess this is the problem when you crowdsource policies and say you are open to men as well as women. Men tend to shout louder than women, women are socialised to put men first, so you end up with a 'women's' party that is disproportionately skewed towards the policies that men like.

BeyondThirty · 12/11/2015 08:46

Can i just ask who the WhateverEqualityParty are aiming at?

Third wave feminists, on the whole, disagree that there is need for a 'womens' party, it should be an 'equalist' party for all, etc etc. But they will class whatever someone 'identifies' as to be the important bit.

Second wave feminists, on the whole, disagree with the concept of gender and your wishy washy definition of who exactly you campaign for. But they agree that xx women are the ones in need of a voice.

In trying to appeal to both, you end up pushing them both away.

Men otoh, benefit from both 'equalism' and the lack of an xx womans voice...

almondpudding · 12/11/2015 09:00

I imagine that they are aiming at mothers in general, by coming on here, not women who are part of any particular wave.

Given the many women on here struggling to cope with massive austerity measures, low incomes, poverty on carers' allowance, having to move away from support networks due to the housing crisis, lack of health care for endometriosis and other conditions, I don't see it representing women.

Presumably the first thing third wavers are going to say is that it isn't intersectional. And that is obvious when you bring it on to a site like this and come up against the group you are supposedly representing.

There are four people on this thread, iirc, who say they support the WEP. One of them is a man and another is a millionaire.

howtorebuild · 12/11/2015 09:32

I have two teenage feminist daughters, they got me to look into feminism. They have been reading these threads. You not only persuaded me, you persuaded them, that this transwoman issue needs to be addressed when it puts women at the back of the Que.

EmpressKnowsWhereHerTowelIs · 12/11/2015 09:41

That's good to know anyway, howtorebuild!

CakeCakeCake for you * your daughters.

howtorebuild · 12/11/2015 10:10

I have had to look at myself a great deal and apologise to my dds for in my not thinking things through so in the process I threw us under the bus, at times. I hope WEP can have another think, apologise and change their minds too.

I was brought up be a full time working Mum, it wasn't for me when I became a Mum. I tried part time that wasn't for me either. I was a SAHM, I volunteered, my daughters are working towards university and careers. I dislike the social pressure that WEP is going to place on women to work full time. The argument will be your children are in full time state care, use it go to work.

I don't know of studies showing the long term effects of children cared for 10 hours a day in childcare from a few months old v being cared for by a parent at home. Has anyone implemented studies to see the effects on parents working full time? I know some get satisfaction from their career, some do it for a lifestyle and some to survive.

I never had satisfaction from working as a secretary, I did it to survive, I am sure I am not alone. Full time childcare wouldn't have made me go back to full time work, it would have made me susceptible to being socially to low level bullying to work full time though. I suffered enough low level bullying from my mother because I didn't do as she did. My mother spent my whole life putting SAHM's down, they are think, lazy, don't contribute to society and so forth. Eventually she gave up trying to get me to return as she had and she used the line My daughter's lucky she doesn't have to work , to cover her shame of my choices. I dread to think how much longer that would have gone on had there been free full time child care available.

I like the option, I just know people and many are unthinking sheep and WI think as the option is there we should use it.

Anyway, my daughter and I were speaking in the car this morning we agreed it's frustrating my health and dyslexia prevent me articulating my ideas well.

howtorebuild · 12/11/2015 10:23

Another though you could build on. Could WEP find a way out, by combining the safe places in prison with other issues. I understand smokers are not segregated from non smokers, votes, pregnancy and so forth? Make it a bigger issue than trans Women in women prisons.

CactusAnnie · 12/11/2015 10:28

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howtorebuild · 12/11/2015 10:36

The other implication for WEP is trying to get candidates running as MP to have take the WEP badge alongside the yellow, green, blue or red badge. WEP don't plan to put standalone WEP candidates in every constituency.

CactusAnnie · 12/11/2015 10:39

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ArcheryAnnie · 12/11/2015 10:46

That's it, CactusAnnie. It's totally insulting, and it isn't any way different than any other party.

I get that they are new, small, frantically busy, etc etc. But if you have time to write a guest post (or get your press team to write a guest post), you have time to schedule in (or get your press team to schedule in) checking in for 20 mins later on in the day to respond to points. That's how guest posts should work. Don't tell me you are "listening", then bugger off.

And Sophie's performance last night just made it even worse. Come in late and unprepared, throw soundbites at us, then bugger off again.

It's both unprofessional and politically counter-productive to set up engagement opportunities that you can't follow through on.

If you see my early posts on this thread, I was quite enthusiastic about the possibilities for engagement, even if we disagreed on the issues. I am really not that way now.

CactusAnnie · 12/11/2015 10:55

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howtorebuild · 12/11/2015 10:59

I suspect some PR or NLP course taught her that people fall for that behaviour. I think that talking, no walking behaviour would probably work on a site like nutmums or bounty.

EmpressKnowsWhereHerTowelIs · 12/11/2015 11:07

Is anyone going to Blogfest? It does make me wonder how Sandi Toksvig will handle things there - I assume she's expecting to drum up some support for WEP.

BeyondThirty · 12/11/2015 11:18

How does blogfest work? Would they get away with still not answering the question or is it more interactive? you know, like a guest post usually is...

EmpressKnowsWhereHerTowelIs · 12/11/2015 11:22

Maybe you'd need to channel your inner Jeremy Paxman.