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Guest post: "Now I'm dependent on my partner for money - and it's hard to adjust"

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MumsnetGuestPosts · 07/04/2015 16:37

When a couple has a baby everything changes. Obviously. But does one partner giving up their paid employment to provide full time childcare change things more?

Taking the decision to 'stay at home' means that everything about your daily routine, and much of your identity, changes. For me, the loss of financial independence has been one of the hardest things to deal with.

However right-on and post-gender you might think you are, when one partner becomes the sole breadwinner, it can be pretty bloody difficult to feel like equals. The problem isn't so much the lack of cash (though of course this can create tension) but the feeling that it is someone else's cash you're spending.

Of course, for some couples, there is no concept of 'my money' and 'your money'. To those for whom "what's mine is yours and what's yours is mine" is lived out literally - I salute you. But I'm not quite there yet.

Women of my generation have been taught that we go to school, and probably university, to get a job to earn money. Most of us remember the sweet euphoria of our first pay packet. That heady rush of independence when you realise this money is all yours. If you wanted to spend it all on belly tops or tights with crazy patterns or under-age drinking, then you could. Before we 'settle down' and have kids, sharing everything (everything? Really?) is a foreign idea. I don't think we've been programmed that way.

The age at which people have their first child continues to rise, and, as our careers progressed, my friends (both male and female) and I became increasingly attached to our own money. Sure, some couples had joint accounts, but they were sacred ground for gas, mortgage, council tax; not impulse buys or frothy coffees.

This arrangement tends to falter, though, when one partner loses their independent income. Suddenly, they have nothing, in monetary terms, to contribute to the shared pot. Putting aside the constant source of unpaid childcare and domestic services of course, because you can't offer them up as legal tender in Sainsbury's, sadly. (I could rant forever about the contribution free female labour makes to our economy, but for now let's just say that it's hard to feel truly valued in this society when you're not actually paid.)

When I stopped earning, it took a while for me to realise that if we maintained the 'your-money, my-money' mindset, it would become almost impossible to feel on even ground. However appreciated I am, it's hard not to feel a loss of control, and disempowered.

The logistics are inevitably awkward. Some 'breadwinners' give their partner a bit of money every month - usually nothing like the amount they would be paid if they were actually employed – so they've got something 'just for them'. Or maybe the partner who stays at home simply uses the joint account, whilst the main earner retains their own account and transfers money monthly.

Isn't there something uncomfortable, though, about someone else being able to see all of your purchases, especially when this arrangement only goes one way? You may not actually be under any scrutiny, but, in my experience, it's a recipe for self-consciousness and guilt. "Is this really a vital purchase?" you ask yourself at the checkout. Does it fit neatly into 'for the house' or 'for a child'?

In this context, 'earning a living' becomes a telling phrase; if you're not being paid it is easier to feel you don't 'earn' anything, and that you have to prove your worth in other ways. For me, this manifested itself in repeatedly explaining to my husband as soon as he came through the door why the house was a mess, as if the small child wasn't a big enough clue. I'd hear myself launching into a long and rambling story about why I bought something, too, as if I needed to justify it.

These explanations are almost always unsolicited and unnecessary - but they can be a telling sign that something has changed in how you relate to your partner. Often I felt defensive and beholden to him in a new and unwanted way, and it took me a while to figure out why.

When money has never been an issue between a couple, it is hard to admit that it has become one, or to find the words to talk about it. The British don't really do talking about money - it's considered bad manners - so it's no wonder that any attempt to broach the subject can get a bit fraught. How do you tell your partner you're finding it hard that they are in control of the finances, without accusing them of being controlling?

Arguably, this whole issue is 'just' about changing your mind-set. Whatever the arrangements, if your partner is genuinely supportive and you have enough money to go round, then just stop feeling so bloody guilty. It's easy to say, though. Relationship dynamics are subtle things, and - even if neither of you intended this shift to occur, even if it crept up on you - I think it's important to talk about it.

I reckon that probably, the one-account couples have got it right. How else can it feel like the money truly belongs to both of you? How else can you be equally in control of your family's finances? Many of us have made wedding vows declaring "all that I have I share with you" in one way or another. So perhaps it's time we put our money where our mouth is?

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loveisagirlnameddaisy · 09/04/2015 11:52

To those posters suggesting the OP should sort herself out, I think the penultimate paragraph in her post addresses this. It's easy to offer simple fixes, but that's not what this post is about. It's about how women are taken by surprise when their feelings about their value to society and what financial independence really means to them change once children come along. That's not necessarily something you can legislate for before you give birth. I certainly felt differently after having DC1 and something shifted between me and DP which I didn't foresee pre-birth.

MrsMarigold · 09/04/2015 12:31

This is a difficult area - even when I worked in one month I earned what my husband can earn in a day. I am now a SAHM and my husband gives me an allowance ie puts money into the joint account but it is often not enough. He doesn't use the joint account at all and pays the big stuff - mortgage, utilities, car etc. I've never been good with money my DH is very good (albeit very thrifty - one coat in eight years, only had new boxer shorts twice in that time, no casual clothes, revels in being thrifty). I am a normal but not extravagant woman, I think twice before I highlight my hair, buy kids clothes in the sale compare prices of groceries etc.

I hate it when we got together I had some quite sizeable debts - I was made redundant often because I worked in a very unstable, fickle and poorly paid industry, I had to help my brother out when he didn't have a job for a few months. He paid them off when we got married, very kind but it has led to lots of guilt and always comes up in rows.

I would love to go back to work but feel a bit stuck as I do all child related stuff and home stuff (huge house, no help) wouldn't earn much and I want the best for the children. It is very complex. We don't have a what's yours is mine sort of a relationship, he works hard and earns a lots but resents it that I don't. I feel it very keenly, also DH is very bright I'm average but have other skills but I've sort of lost confidence. We had different upbringings - him upper-middle class but no money still went to top public school, had a holiday house etc but no cash (parents arguing if they could afford a bar of chocolate) I grew up in Africa never rich but we had everything we needed and were happy - if I needed something for school my parents got it for me but we had second hand clothes but we had domestic help, parents didn't work long hours etc. Success for me is about happiness for him it is about money. Very tricky.

CloserToFiftyThanTwenty · 09/04/2015 13:08

Even having discussed this before (and always having had "our money"), I've been surpised in the change in dynamics through recently becoming a SAHM. I don't like it at all, but then I don't like being beholden to anyone for anything, which is a wider issue I know I need to manage.

morethanpotatoprints · 09/04/2015 17:19

I think its something you should discuss before having dc if possible, as long as you are both happy with the situation there will be fewer problems.
I have never been made to feel dependant on dh nor him on me.
He earns the money, I manage the money and it is considered as joint.
i spend what i like within reason, but I'm quite a thrifty person anyway.

I find it difficult to understand how anybody could feel beholden to the person they love, if you are working as a team you are both equal.
If you are a sahp you are contributing financially because what you would be paying for child minding, cleaning, cooking, taxiing children, etc etc etc you are providing free of charge, and saving the family having to pay a full time wage to others.

loveisagirlnameddaisy · 09/04/2015 17:28

Yes, but we can't predict how we're going to feel about something until it happens to us. Some people will feel like their status has changed, others won't. And if you're the type of person who has always enjoyed financial independence, I can understand how it's hard to just flick the switch and let that feeling go.

I've often wondered if it's to do with the length of time you've had financial freedom. I was nearly 36 when I had DC1 and I'd been supporting myself since leaving uni - 15 years. I'd made all my own decisions and never had to discuss my spending choices with anyone. Even without children, moving to a situation where those decisions become joint, can be challenging.

ThatEffingCreakyFloor · 09/04/2015 17:44

My DP and I seem to be in the minority amongst our friends as regards the way we organise our finances (most we know tend to pool everything). We do salaries paid into individual accounts then transfers to joint account for mortgage, bills, food etc. I wouldn't dream of using joint account for anything like make up, clothes (& would hate to feel I ever had to justify my spending) & also my DP has v expensive hobby which I'm not prepared to fund! Part of the reason I didn't take longer mat leave is because personally I couldn't bear the thought of getting to the point where I wasn't able to pay my share to the joint account every month. Very independent mentality - probably to my detriment sometimes :-(

motherinferior · 10/04/2015 09:44

We have a somewhat baroque system of personal accounts, joint accounts, and my business account. Wouldn't want it any other way.

Gattasyl · 10/04/2015 15:25

I think this is an important discussion and very relevant to every family in modern society. The smug people here who say 'no issue/never been an issue/how bad is your marriage if you feel like this blah blah', just want to be smug and are burring their heads under the sand.
I have just gone back to work full time after my second child as I could definitely feel my relationship balance shifting... I am much more comfortable now that I know I can contribute to my family finances and that I am an equal 'player' in the dynamics of my family.

IceBeing · 11/04/2015 19:50

My DH and I are reversed from traditional roles. I earn all the money and he is a SAHD. I asked him about this and was astonished to discover he has some vague feelings that overlap the OP.

We have had a single completely join bank account since we were students and for at least 10 years before we had a child. We have never really discussed spending, except for big things like houses, cars, computers.

But he related that he feels guilty spending on himself (clothes, treat food even).

He knows I never look in the bank account so it can't be an issue on being watched.

I think it is the result of the amount of times we are told that work is somehow essential to us being valuable to society. All the times we are told we have to work hard at school so we can get a good job etc.

I consider that he contributes more than equally to our family - I have the far easier job and couldn't cope with us reversing our positions....while he probably could.

I think we need to change the 'work ethic over all' attitude we instil in our children. We may be approaching a hedonistic era in which not much work is needed to be done by humans...our kids will not thank us for bringing them up to think that work is the centre of life, and the only way to measure your worth.

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