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Guest post: "Now I'm dependent on my partner for money - and it's hard to adjust"

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MumsnetGuestPosts · 07/04/2015 16:37

When a couple has a baby everything changes. Obviously. But does one partner giving up their paid employment to provide full time childcare change things more?

Taking the decision to 'stay at home' means that everything about your daily routine, and much of your identity, changes. For me, the loss of financial independence has been one of the hardest things to deal with.

However right-on and post-gender you might think you are, when one partner becomes the sole breadwinner, it can be pretty bloody difficult to feel like equals. The problem isn't so much the lack of cash (though of course this can create tension) but the feeling that it is someone else's cash you're spending.

Of course, for some couples, there is no concept of 'my money' and 'your money'. To those for whom "what's mine is yours and what's yours is mine" is lived out literally - I salute you. But I'm not quite there yet.

Women of my generation have been taught that we go to school, and probably university, to get a job to earn money. Most of us remember the sweet euphoria of our first pay packet. That heady rush of independence when you realise this money is all yours. If you wanted to spend it all on belly tops or tights with crazy patterns or under-age drinking, then you could. Before we 'settle down' and have kids, sharing everything (everything? Really?) is a foreign idea. I don't think we've been programmed that way.

The age at which people have their first child continues to rise, and, as our careers progressed, my friends (both male and female) and I became increasingly attached to our own money. Sure, some couples had joint accounts, but they were sacred ground for gas, mortgage, council tax; not impulse buys or frothy coffees.

This arrangement tends to falter, though, when one partner loses their independent income. Suddenly, they have nothing, in monetary terms, to contribute to the shared pot. Putting aside the constant source of unpaid childcare and domestic services of course, because you can't offer them up as legal tender in Sainsbury's, sadly. (I could rant forever about the contribution free female labour makes to our economy, but for now let's just say that it's hard to feel truly valued in this society when you're not actually paid.)

When I stopped earning, it took a while for me to realise that if we maintained the 'your-money, my-money' mindset, it would become almost impossible to feel on even ground. However appreciated I am, it's hard not to feel a loss of control, and disempowered.

The logistics are inevitably awkward. Some 'breadwinners' give their partner a bit of money every month - usually nothing like the amount they would be paid if they were actually employed – so they've got something 'just for them'. Or maybe the partner who stays at home simply uses the joint account, whilst the main earner retains their own account and transfers money monthly.

Isn't there something uncomfortable, though, about someone else being able to see all of your purchases, especially when this arrangement only goes one way? You may not actually be under any scrutiny, but, in my experience, it's a recipe for self-consciousness and guilt. "Is this really a vital purchase?" you ask yourself at the checkout. Does it fit neatly into 'for the house' or 'for a child'?

In this context, 'earning a living' becomes a telling phrase; if you're not being paid it is easier to feel you don't 'earn' anything, and that you have to prove your worth in other ways. For me, this manifested itself in repeatedly explaining to my husband as soon as he came through the door why the house was a mess, as if the small child wasn't a big enough clue. I'd hear myself launching into a long and rambling story about why I bought something, too, as if I needed to justify it.

These explanations are almost always unsolicited and unnecessary - but they can be a telling sign that something has changed in how you relate to your partner. Often I felt defensive and beholden to him in a new and unwanted way, and it took me a while to figure out why.

When money has never been an issue between a couple, it is hard to admit that it has become one, or to find the words to talk about it. The British don't really do talking about money - it's considered bad manners - so it's no wonder that any attempt to broach the subject can get a bit fraught. How do you tell your partner you're finding it hard that they are in control of the finances, without accusing them of being controlling?

Arguably, this whole issue is 'just' about changing your mind-set. Whatever the arrangements, if your partner is genuinely supportive and you have enough money to go round, then just stop feeling so bloody guilty. It's easy to say, though. Relationship dynamics are subtle things, and - even if neither of you intended this shift to occur, even if it crept up on you - I think it's important to talk about it.

I reckon that probably, the one-account couples have got it right. How else can it feel like the money truly belongs to both of you? How else can you be equally in control of your family's finances? Many of us have made wedding vows declaring "all that I have I share with you" in one way or another. So perhaps it's time we put our money where our mouth is?

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Jackieharris · 08/04/2015 08:14

I don't 'get' couples, especially married couples who don't completely share their money, kids or not.

Surely a partnership has to be a financial partnership as well as a romantic one?

Firstly I'd say 'don't give up work' as it creates inequalities beyond financial.

If that's unavoidable then I think the fair rule is that both parties should have an equal amount of 'me' money each month they can spend as they choose. No partner should have to justify spending on household/food/child related expenses unless there's some kind of serious debt or financial mismanagement issue.

The idea that their are wives who do to know how much their husbands earn or husbands who don't know how much their DCs food clothes shoes add up to baffle me.

To me these are just sahm marriages just don't for show/social approval.

Jackieharris · 08/04/2015 08:15

Sham marriages just done for show!

bigkidsdidit · 08/04/2015 09:47

We have separate accounts but we earn the same so it doesn't matter.
We hvr one bills account - we put half the bills money each into it. It's fine. HOWEVER, we agreed that if one of us suddenly started earning tons more we'd arrange it so we had equal spending.

Buglife · 08/04/2015 10:03

Unless you happened to earn a very similar amount of money before children then surely money has always been shared equally as you live your lives together? Do couples not pay for a food shop if the other earns less and hasn't got money left? Do they go on a night out without them, or go out with them and have more drinks or an extra course for a meal because 'they' can afford it? Most couples are surely used to a certain amount of give and take financially even before a baby comes along. This is a non issue to me and my DH as we've had shared finances since Uni! I worked while he did extra study, and earned more when we were young, but as I work in the public sector and he ended up in finance he now earns more. I am going back to work though part time though, so the pittance I earn after childcare will at least be pocket money! But it won't in any meaningful sense contribute to either the mortgage or the bills. We purposely got a mortgage we could afford on one wage so we wouldn't struggle when we had kids. I have a couple of friends who work in high powered, high earning jobs like their spouses and who's entire lifestyle (mortgage, cars, holidays etc) is dependant on that continuing, and at least one of them has said to me she wants to have a child but can't afford the maternity leave.

StephanieDA · 08/04/2015 10:26

A point about joint accounts which I recently found out: be careful whose name is first. My husband and I had a joint account which we closed when we divorced, and I recently contacted my bank to inquire about PPI payments. Although I set up the mortgage and dealt with all the finances, I cannot access those records because his name was first on the joint account. I had to get him to call the bank, and even though I was there with him they refused to give me details over the phone because all the records are now linked to his personal account only.

SoonToBeSix · 08/04/2015 10:42

What an odd guest post. The issue is your relationship not the sharing of money.

SirChenjin · 08/04/2015 11:47

Agree Six

If it bothers you so much, why on earth aren't you out working (like the rest of us who don't want to rely on another adult for money)? Either that, or have a Long Talk about how the money is divvied up in your relationship to restore some balance.

Undeuxtwatcinq · 08/04/2015 12:06

We have always had separate accounts and a joint account. When I worked we put the same % of our salaries in joint account for living expenses - leftover was to save if we wanted or to spend if we wanted. When DC1 was born I worked a very little to have my own money and DH paid for everything. When we moved abroad and I couldn't work, I struggled with having all our money in one pot and not having my own money. I could have reasonably spent what I wanted, but I just couldn't. In the end DH gave me money for myself. Now we are back in UK, I am still a SAHM (but not for too much longer, waiting for youngest to be a bit older), I still get my money put into my account every month by him. I control the joint account with our monthly expenses, (including family entertainment pub lunches etc), he has his own account plus he saves for holidays and stuff. This is just the way it works for us and how we are both comfortable. Nothing is secret though, I know how much he earns, the savings we have etc etc.

squizita · 08/04/2015 12:30

I have tge opposite - I'm the main wage earner AND (partly by choice but partly by social pressure) primary care giving parent.

The sense of responsibility is exhausting: being responsible for both elements.

My dh has a job, it's just mine earns twice as much (due to hard work and luck for me, not laziness by him). He contributes to the housework, childcare and financially.
But in my mind there's the unspoken pressure that both my money and my milk are things only I can provide - so I'm always fearful "what if"...

I've also seen joint accounts used extremely abusively. In one case "gaslighting" by adding/removing funds! In another "family meetings" where the stingy main earner basically went through the statement questioning every spend.
So to me it isn't a solve-all magic bullet.

We have a shared household pot which we both contribute to, but our own accounts too.

Though I wonder too whether this is because it's not the "norm" for a man have the joint account thing as the lower earner?

I don't know.
On a practical level it works.
Psychologically it's exhausting ... but nothing to be done (as I don't want to wean dd early) just have to deal with the pressure.

squizita · 08/04/2015 12:35

Oh and the name first thing is important! I've heard of an abusive ex freezing his wife's only source of money (for food etc) because she had 1 joint account with his name first. Also something similar with someone dying without a will. :(

Littlemonstersrule · 08/04/2015 12:45

This is why I would never give up work, it's quite depressing to have to rely on another person for every item you need or want in life. From their point of view, they have to shoulder being the only earner and make sacrifices as their salary now has to cover x people whilst the other gets to not work and have any financial responsibility. It creates a very uneven relationship. Not to mention if anything happens, one will have no income and no decent work experience to gain employment with.

I don't think having a joint account but only one earner makes it any better than separate accounts, it still was earnt by one person and is their salary.

StephanieDA · 08/04/2015 12:49

I'm a bit gobsmacked by some of the judgments made on here. Money impacts relationships, even really good ones, and the OP has shared how that can happen and take you by surprise. It's an important and relevant subject - if a couple decides one parent will stay at home for however long (either because it makes financial sense for the family or the parents are committed to doing their own childcare) it can be a shock to suddenly feel like you have lower status in the relationship (especially for mothers whose work is taken for granted). The OP has just been honest, why is it being implied that her relationship just isn't good enough, or she should just get a bloody job then? I'm surprised there's so little empathy and that she is being blamed for her own situation - it's almost as if people think we are living in a society which values childcare as much as wage-earning, where women and men are seen and treated as totally equal, paid the same, have exactly the same choices and that their massive value to society is reinforced from birth equally.

SirChenjin · 08/04/2015 13:04

Gobsmacked?! For heaven's sake! A blogger who complains about the feelings of inadequacy she has because she no longer earns her own money or why she feels she has to justify her expenditure to her husband really should expect some honest suggestions about what she can do to rectify the situation - get a job, don't give up your job, talk about how the money is divided up...that's just common sense. It's got nothing to do with how society might or might not view someone who has decided to become a SAHP.

Viviennemary · 08/04/2015 13:13

I would hate to be totally financially dependent on somebody else. I couldn't stand it. There was a time when both DH and I depended on each other. And that was OK for me. Now we could be independent financially if we wanted to be. The trouble with this all money is shared money business is that if things go pear shaped it is no longer shared money but belongs to the earner. And the non earner is the one left high and dry.

Millionprammiles · 08/04/2015 13:28

Vivienne - exactly.
All fine when everyone's on friendly terms but a bit trickier when one of you is in court demonstrating how their salary paid the mortgage, bills etc and that it's perfectly reasonable for their soon to be ex to now earn their own living. After a 10 year career break.

StephanieDA · 08/04/2015 13:35

Gosh she must be so grateful to you for that advice SirChenjin, I bet she's never thought about any of those suggestions.

Vix286 · 08/04/2015 13:37

I agree with the OP, I have just resigned from my employment, I am on my second mat leave and my husband now earns enough we can live on one wage. Childcare balancing with my previous role and his involving travel means one of us had to give up what we were doing.

I am going to be self employed in six months when both are in childcare but now I am out of mat pay my DH will be giving me money monthly for my own account and putting money into the joint household account for bills.

He doesn't make me feel "kept" I am fully aware I do it to myself but I too justify a messy house even though I look after 2 kids and do all housework, shopping, house admin and cooking.

I gave up a well paid (more than £40k) job so I am feeling a loss of status and achievement as having a clean floor isn't really scratching that itch!!

Other people's reactions also don't help, being told I am going to be a lady of leisure or a kept woman for example.

Logically I know I am enabling my DH to earn the money and providing the care for our children, and I am going to do part time contract work to keep on the career ladder and retain some financial independence. However the emotional illogical part has a very strong pull.

SirChenjin · 08/04/2015 13:43

Who knows - maybe she'll be as gobsmacked by them as you are.

MaryWestmacott · 08/04/2015 14:42

I really don't think there's a 'one size fits all' approach to money within a relationship, even though the received wisdom on MN is it should all be in one joint account with everyone having access to it and just discussing spending before it happens.

That would have been disasterous for us, and actually would make me feel like the OP, like I had to justify my spending, or check with DH if he was ok with me spending X amount on Y before I did it.

We have a joint account for bills, the same we had when we first moved in together. DH also transfers a set amount to my bank account each month - it's roughly half of what's left each month from his basic wage after he's transfered money to the joint account for the bills, food and mortgage money, minus an amount we agreed to be transfered to a separate savings account each month. He gets overtime payments as well that are used for holidays etc.

I never feel like I'm spending 'someone else's money' - the money in my account is mine, even if DH put it there each month. The money in the joint account is only put there by DH now, but is still spent in the same way as it was when I paid in too, food, household and DC things.

Everyone I know who has a joint account only, has had a period where they snip about the other one's spending. DH might not like the amount of clothes I buy (was whinging this morning about my jumpers taking over some of his space in the wardrobes), but the cost doesn't matter, because if I spend my money on coffees and lunches out or yet another "school run dress" - it's the same amount and budgetted for each month. I would resent the sheer number of boxes coming from Wiggle (bike crap merchant) if it wasn't that I know it's within the budget of 'his money'.

i'll probably go back to work at some point (when it stops being that I'll make a loss after childcare and travel, once DC2 is at preschool or school age), but we'll probably keep the same model of spending and separate accounts for the rest of our lives together.

MaryWestmacott · 08/04/2015 14:45

SirChenjin - you are right, there are so many woman who become SAHMs, even just the period at the end of mat leave when there's no mat pay, without wanting to have a conversation along the lines of "what will be my personal spending budget each month?" Honestly, if you can't have that sort of conversation, if your DP/H doesn't see that you might need personal money, then much bigger issues in your relationship than just who earns what.

squizita · 08/04/2015 15:23

Mary YY. Outside of mumsnet only having a joint account seems to cause strife if no individual ones.

motherinferior · 08/04/2015 16:25

I would probably kill my partner if we only had a joint account. We have radically different attitudes to money.

sykadelic · 08/04/2015 17:46

My DH and I have joint bank accounts but with different banks and one is considered "mine" and the other considered "his" and it most definitely works for us.

For a while after we first married I was unemployed (immigrant and all) and dependent on him for money and yes it did feel awkward. It felt awkward not because he felt it was "his" money but because for years, ever since I was able to work, I had my own source of income and was able to buy what I wanted when I wanted. Now I had to adjust my thinking. I was okay with spending X amount on having my hair cut and coloured but he would never have to spend that much so would he consider it frivolous (he didn't, but I would never have asked had I had a job and my own money)?

My husband spends his money as he wants to (and household bills) and I spend mine on what I want to (various surprise bills). When kids come I assume we'll get a "kitty" joint account where we each put in a certain amount for kid expenses (like presents) but pretty much I pay for food anyway and he keeps the roof over our head so... we shall see!

LibPrice · 08/04/2015 21:47

We have had a joint account from early doors in our relationship. Whilst the fact that I out-earned my husband was an attraction for him in the early days - this was sacrificed early on for our kids. Now, I might not earn as much - but I deal with all of the family accounts etc - he wouldn't have a clue if anything happened to me. I've done a catch all document of all our assets and liabilities should I be run over by a bus (and told the almost 12 year old where it is!)

Stillwishihadabs · 09/04/2015 08:25

I do find this fascinating.It's all very well saying don't get yourself in to this mess in the first place, but not always that practical. Mat leave is pretty unavoidable and sometimes the sums just don't work for going back (particularly after number 2). So this is a position many parents find themselves in, sometimes expectedly, sometimes not. Good for you if you as a couple have totally stable and predictable employment.

Both dh and I have been both sole earner and financially dependant SAHP , luckily for us, neither of these situations were permanent.I think we both found the situation much more stressful than both working and earning similar wages.Dh was SAH for 18 months and by the end of it I was used being the sole earner, I transferred money directly to his account for spends each month. Looking back I feel this wasn't enough and also that I ought to have been contributing to a pension for him.