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Guest post: Jennifer Senior - 'does the division of labour feel fair in your house?'

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MumsnetGuestPosts · 12/03/2015 10:47

When Arlie Russell Hochschild's The Second Shift was published in 1989, it made a startling argument: if one combined the paid and unpaid labour of employed women in the sixties and seventies, they worked a full month extra over the course of a year. That's hardly the case today: women are doing far less housework than they used to, and men are doing more; fathers also do more child care, and mothers put more hours into the workforce, in greater numbers.

The reason Hochschild's book became famous, however, probably had little to do with a mathematical equation. What made The Second Shift so powerful was its analysis of the myths and delusions about what couples needed to do to keep their marriages together. Hochschild could see that repeated attempts - often touchy, and sometimes failed - to recalibrate the workload had terribly messy emotional consequences. "When couples struggle," she wrote, "it is seldom simply over who does what. Far more often, it is over the giving and receiving of gratitude."

And this vexed economy of gratitude - along with its more poisonous corollary, resentment - still persists in relationships to this day, albeit in subtler and different forms. In absolute numbers, our contemporary division of labour may be more equal than it was in decades past, but that doesn't mean many mothers experience it as fair.

For starters, in the US, mothers of children under six still work five more hours per week than fathers of children under six, if one takes into consideration both paid and unpaid work. That's not a small difference, especially when you consider how much of that time is devoted to nocturnal caregiving: a 2011 study found that mothers in two-income families were three times more likely than men to report interrupted sleep if they had a child at home under the age of one.

Funny: I once sat on a panel with Adam Mansbach, author of Go the F**k to Sleep. About halfway through the discussion, he freely conceded that it was his partner who put his child to bed most nights. That said so much, this casual admission. He may have written a best-selling book about the tyranny of toddlers at bedtime, but in his house it was mainly Mum’s problem.

But let's say that a husband and wife do work the same number of hours each week. (This is what the data basically suggest, once kids are six and older.) That is not, in and of itself, an indicator of fairness. Fairness, after all, is not just about absolute equality; it's about the perception of equality. Not all work is created equal. An hour spent on one kind of task is not necessarily the equivalent of an hour spent on another.

Take childcare, for instance. It creates far more stress in women than housework. Specifically: if a married mother believes that childcare is unfairly divided in the house, this injustice is more likely to affect her marital happiness than a perceived imbalance in, say, vacuuming. And today, mothers are doing twice as much of it as fathers.

Data also make clear that the kind of time mothers spend with their children is both less interesting and more enervating: they do the “routine” activities (toothbrushing, feeding) while fathers do the “interactive” ones, like games of catch. Ask any parent which one is more fun. Mothers do more deadline-centred tasks as well (dinner on the table by 6, homework checked by 8, bath by 8.30), which means that home is not a haven, but a place with more deadlines.

These deadline pressures and split-screen demands may explain why researchers have found that leisure activities at home do little to bring down the level of cortisol, or stress hormone, in mothers. Even when they're trying to relax, a ticker tape of concerns still whips through their heads.

So what, you might ask, have researchers found that does have a pronounced effect in mothers? Simple: seeing their husbands do work around the house.

This is an adapted extract from All Joy and No Fun: The Paradox of Modern Parenthood, published by Virago in paperback, £8.99.

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MamaMary · 13/03/2015 13:11

Actually, yes, it feels pretty fair here.

I may do most housework, but I work part-time, and DH does equal childcare and groceries - and most of the bills, paperwork, outdoors work (and we have a lot of that), cars, DIY projects.

He is often working on this kind of stuff into the evening, while I'm watching TV or mumsnetting!

BlackBettyBamALam · 13/03/2015 15:05

Jeanne thanks for the link, really interesting.

JeanneTheRabidFeminist · 13/03/2015 15:26

No worries. Smile

sanfairyanne · 13/03/2015 16:33

do most parents work outside the home the same number of hours once the kids are 6? not round here they dont.

sanfairyanne · 13/03/2015 16:40

i looked it up - most women with kids work part time. most men with kids work full time.

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JeanneTheRabidFeminist · 13/03/2015 16:44

She might still be using US statistics (though, I wonder why? Is the book for the US market?), as she mentioned age 6 in that context further up the piece.

But would have been nice to know.

sanfairyanne · 13/03/2015 16:45

duh sorry ignore me Grin does she mean they do the same amount of work altogether -paid and unpaid - once kids are six?

berni140 · 14/03/2015 09:04

I find these kinds of articles a little oddand possibly giving out a bitter ' recognise us, recognise us!' Tone. Of course it's going to appear that mothers work more if you're assuming that the mum making her child a sandwich or sitting playing is 'work' or 'childcare' I might be reading it wrong, and apologies if I am, but a stay at home mum(and I am, to 4) is not 'doing childcare'. You can't compare in this regard, the way a monetary value would be put on work, as , for one reason or another, it was decided that one parent would stay home or if both working, that one be there on a certain day, or even just that a child needed something done at that particular time. The parent at home's invaluable work cannot be measured. If it was, and your son wakes up in the middle of the night from a bad dream, are you going to get out the clock in card to measure how long you spent comforting him?aAll work in the home is rewarding ... And extremely tough too. They balance each other out.t To put it in perspective, I have two married friends who are nurses. They each get to collect their child once a week and it's the highlight of the week for them. My husband gets to collect our children roughly one Friday a week from school and he'd give anything to do it more often. I do the housework, at the weekend he helps and does the cooking. Parents can't be equal because very few situations are equal

squizita · 14/03/2015 10:00

Berni why can't parents be equal? ok it's not feasible for every family to have 50/50 at home/out of home jobs ... but why then are so many men really not keen on sahp for themselves?

And when both parents work outside the home ... to put it bluntly the shitty jobs often fall to the mum.
Not the cute, soft focus parenting jobs. The boring, dirty, gotta do them jobs.
And the dad is the one who does "childcare" on Saturday ... The nice sandwich making, taking to the park bit of parenting. So mum can wash the dirt off the clothes etc

That's the reality for many families: the cute/fun parenting is reserved for dad, and he's praised. Same with housework - it's always cooking or ironing not scrubbing skid marks off the toilet.
The "daily grind" (which is NOT heartwarming parenting stuff - as I mentioned it's cleaning toilets, putting out the bins etc) is done invisibly by mum.

squizita · 14/03/2015 10:13

...actually I just realised something very telling about this which puts pat to the "mothers love makes it more than work" theory.

The two couples I know who argue most about this.
One: children are adults. Work still NOT 50/50 and wife does the crap jobs.
Two: no kids yet. Both work same hours. Girlfriend STILL does all the shitty jobs. People pat boyfriend on the back for the basics.

Dressing it up as a mothers love just breeds moral obligation to keep the status quo (as if you fight it, you're a me-me-me bad mum).

PuffinsAreFictitious · 14/03/2015 13:58

Berni... not sure what you're trying to say?

That women who work in the home don't work?

Want to tot up how much SAHM are saving the family and the economy by doing what they do at all? You can of course offset it against any random amount of tax/NI you can think of... yours for example.

If your DH wanted to pick the children up more often, he would. It's as simple as that.

JillyR2015 · 14/03/2015 19:28

We both worked full time. We both did as much as the other at home When I commuted to the City I waited until our nanny arrived and the children's father was usually the one home first although I always tried to leave on time too. Once the oldest was a school I took her to the school coach on my way to the tube.
Tended to work because I'm a feminist, because he is too, because we earned the same (and ultimately I earned 10x more), because my father shared things fairly (in fact he did 100% of the night feeds of the babies in the 1960s for those bottle fed never mind hoovering etc and driving us to school every morning and doing bed time stories with one of us whilst my mother did the other two every night); because it's fair and right;' because my children's father had his own house and systems of washing clothes etc before we married and he was the domestic expert not me; because we are both very hard workers with the same work ethic and views about careers and money; because we divided things fairly so that on the whole one person was 100% responsbiel for one thing eg when we had 3 in cloth nappies at night I didn't even know how to work the washing machine and their father did 100% of the washing and I did some other things.

berni140 · 14/03/2015 22:46

@squizita @puffinsarefictisious sorry, I posted a half retraction earlier but it didn't post!!One thing first though, just to be fair to Dh, he can't collect the kids as he works in Dublin, gets the ten to 7 train up and the ten past 5 train home. One Friday a month he works from home and so he can't, there's no choice. See I jumped in because I see red sometimes when people try to moneterize how much time is spent with their children. I totally see your point about housework though, and yes you're right, dads do get to do the fun stuff at the weekend while mums run around trying to sort everything out. Our house is the same as this but that's because she's works such long hours and I'm at home full time. See you can't say how much the mum saves by staying at home if they never had that money to start off with. When I worked my pay would fund childcare exactly and we PAID €200 for me to work so it's the exact same me being at home except my kids aren't first into crèche, last out, I don't have the awful guilt I used to when collecting my kids at 7 and tried to keep them awake so we could play or talk.I think that's why I prob now think of the housework as just an easy place to be... God, I've just talked myself around in circles here, sorry ...first post in mums net-big giant fail!!!!!

PuffinsAreFictitious · 15/03/2015 11:20

Sorry you feel like that Berni, not a big giant fail at all!

Wifework is a bit of a hot topic within feminism, and all views are interesting. Hope to see you about more Grin

JillyR2015 · 15/03/2015 11:49

Berni, does not have to be so. We both worked fulltime. For a time at weekends I had the 3 children all day on Saturday ( took them to hobbies etc etcand did house stuff) and then on Sunday we swapped so each adult had a whole day with the children alone which did work at that time.

base9 · 15/03/2015 11:53

Pretty 50/50 here.

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