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Guest post: Jennifer Senior - 'does the division of labour feel fair in your house?'

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MumsnetGuestPosts · 12/03/2015 10:47

When Arlie Russell Hochschild's The Second Shift was published in 1989, it made a startling argument: if one combined the paid and unpaid labour of employed women in the sixties and seventies, they worked a full month extra over the course of a year. That's hardly the case today: women are doing far less housework than they used to, and men are doing more; fathers also do more child care, and mothers put more hours into the workforce, in greater numbers.

The reason Hochschild's book became famous, however, probably had little to do with a mathematical equation. What made The Second Shift so powerful was its analysis of the myths and delusions about what couples needed to do to keep their marriages together. Hochschild could see that repeated attempts - often touchy, and sometimes failed - to recalibrate the workload had terribly messy emotional consequences. "When couples struggle," she wrote, "it is seldom simply over who does what. Far more often, it is over the giving and receiving of gratitude."

And this vexed economy of gratitude - along with its more poisonous corollary, resentment - still persists in relationships to this day, albeit in subtler and different forms. In absolute numbers, our contemporary division of labour may be more equal than it was in decades past, but that doesn't mean many mothers experience it as fair.

For starters, in the US, mothers of children under six still work five more hours per week than fathers of children under six, if one takes into consideration both paid and unpaid work. That's not a small difference, especially when you consider how much of that time is devoted to nocturnal caregiving: a 2011 study found that mothers in two-income families were three times more likely than men to report interrupted sleep if they had a child at home under the age of one.

Funny: I once sat on a panel with Adam Mansbach, author of Go the F**k to Sleep. About halfway through the discussion, he freely conceded that it was his partner who put his child to bed most nights. That said so much, this casual admission. He may have written a best-selling book about the tyranny of toddlers at bedtime, but in his house it was mainly Mum’s problem.

But let's say that a husband and wife do work the same number of hours each week. (This is what the data basically suggest, once kids are six and older.) That is not, in and of itself, an indicator of fairness. Fairness, after all, is not just about absolute equality; it's about the perception of equality. Not all work is created equal. An hour spent on one kind of task is not necessarily the equivalent of an hour spent on another.

Take childcare, for instance. It creates far more stress in women than housework. Specifically: if a married mother believes that childcare is unfairly divided in the house, this injustice is more likely to affect her marital happiness than a perceived imbalance in, say, vacuuming. And today, mothers are doing twice as much of it as fathers.

Data also make clear that the kind of time mothers spend with their children is both less interesting and more enervating: they do the “routine” activities (toothbrushing, feeding) while fathers do the “interactive” ones, like games of catch. Ask any parent which one is more fun. Mothers do more deadline-centred tasks as well (dinner on the table by 6, homework checked by 8, bath by 8.30), which means that home is not a haven, but a place with more deadlines.

These deadline pressures and split-screen demands may explain why researchers have found that leisure activities at home do little to bring down the level of cortisol, or stress hormone, in mothers. Even when they're trying to relax, a ticker tape of concerns still whips through their heads.

So what, you might ask, have researchers found that does have a pronounced effect in mothers? Simple: seeing their husbands do work around the house.

This is an adapted extract from All Joy and No Fun: The Paradox of Modern Parenthood, published by Virago in paperback, £8.99.

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BathshebaDarkstone · 12/03/2015 14:07

I'm quite happy with the way things are in our house. DH does all the housework and cooks for himself and me, I do all the childcare including cooking for the DC. It works very well for us. Smile

Rox19 · 12/03/2015 14:12

I think a lot of this debate comes down to men wanting to be involved and everything to be 50% and be different from their dads.

My dad was very hands on, wfh, etc in the 1980s/1990s. I've married a similar man who will sacrifice career greatness for more involved home life and happy marriage. His parents split up because his dad was a workaholic.

My DH does whole
Morning shift 730/930 with 3 under 5s then constantly busy from 630/830pm and gets up every night wih the kids. And he has them all all day Tuesdays (I am off Thursdays). All socials alone are 50/50.

I think this thinking in the guest post is old fashioned. I don't know any women stuck in this position, all the ones I know have wfh / part time dads and the women work often more hours than the dads. Dads are at all the playgroups/ running birthday parties.

I think the parents born in the 1980s/1990s, children of divorced parents and growing up with working mums and good maternity laws: will
Be totally different domestically to parents that are older (born 1960s/1980s). It's generational. Grin

Enjoyingmycoffee1981 · 12/03/2015 16:40

I do 90% of housework and childcare.

My DH does 100% of earning for the family.

It would be a bit harsh of me to get on my high horse about the lack of equality of childcare/housework, when he is on the 06.34 train in to London and then in 19.58 back from London. Often working at home over the weekend. Works for us.

vitaminC · 12/03/2015 17:34

I'm a (mature) student doctor and work and study many, many hours each week. I cook all the meals unless I'm on call, when my husband or kids will heat leftovers or make simple meals, such as omelettes or spag bol.
Apart from that, my husband does almost everything else around the house - cleaning, laundry, ironing, shopping... He also takes my youngest (his step-child) to school most days and drives my oldest to her boarding school (an hour away) every Monday morning!
On days he has to work away, I pick up the slack, but he definitely does well over 50% of the "domestic" duties around here.
I guess with my crazy hospital shifts our total overall hours of "work" are roughly equal, but we've never bothered to count them, as we're both perfectly happy with this setup!

WowOoo · 12/03/2015 17:34

I do far more in terms of childcare and housework. My husband works longer hours than me.
But when he's on holiday and I'm still working I feel a lot of resentment as things just don't get done unless I remind him. I leave notes - ridiculous really. I don't think he's a fussy as me and things undone don't bother him as much as me. So i understand his point of view.

I feel the same on weekends sometimes. It's his time to 'relax' and I really have to remind him how many hours I've worked to get any kind of response.
I try to arrange weekends away. I need these to look forward to!

WowOoo · 12/03/2015 17:35

I do far more in terms of childcare and housework. My husband works longer hours than me.
But when he's on holiday and I'm still working I feel a lot of resentment as things just don't get done unless I remind him. I leave notes - ridiculous really. I don't think he's a fussy as me and things undone don't bother him as much as me. So i understand his point of view.

I feel the same on weekends sometimes. It's his time to 'relax' and I really have to remind him how many hours I've worked to get any kind of response.
I try to arrange weekends away. I need these to look forward to!

fieldfare · 12/03/2015 17:38

Our dynamic works well for us. Dh has a very stressful job in London, and although he often works from home a couple of days a week he generally works 8am -8pm. He is the main earner.
I am a childminder, because I work from home I'm here to do the housework etc around the kids and I only currently work a 4 day week from 8-6pm.
I do all of the housework and laundry, DH does any major Diy and will happily pitch in with cooking at the weekend, sometimes batch cooking and filling the freezer.
Our dd is 12, so fairly independent. There are no issues for us with childcare and there never has been.
I'm happy running our home and family life, dh is happy in his work and earning the amount he does. It might be a bit old fashioned but it works for us and that's what's important.

stardusty5 · 12/03/2015 17:58

The gratitude part was very interesting to me. While i feel that the division of labour in our house (no children) is equal, i do find myself feeling gracious towards DP if he has done all the ironing for example.
I have noticed this previously, and I am trying to train myself not to feel this wayGrin

The thought process point is also true for us in that DP does not plan ahead to get laundry, shopping and cleaning done if we have a very busy weekend planned for example.
While he undoubtedly pulls his weight, i definitely feel like the "site manager!"

trigirl · 12/03/2015 18:00

My DP accuses me of being lazy....says I never do any DIY and the house is untidy. If he has repaired something or done some wiring or plumbing or whatever, everyone is grateful and it makes a big difference.

Most of what I do is the type of work that you only notice if it is not done. Nobody thanks you for cleaning the toilet .... but they would definitely complain if was dirty. The same is true for picking up your DPs shoes and tools off the living room floor, making packed lunches, putting the DCs to bed etc etc... GRRR!

squizita · 12/03/2015 19:01

What Trigirl says ... If the house is messy, people look sideways at mum. If it isn't, no one notices. If dad/husband cleans or irons or cooks he is praised. However if he doesn't no one looks sideways at him (even if it's his usual chore) ... They still look to the wife.

If my husband is genuinely working overtime and falls behind with the quite visible chores he usually does, I feel horribly pressurised and judged. People comment like I should jump to do it (as if I'm not busy enough! He does it as we're very busy!). So stressful.

Pikachu26 · 12/03/2015 19:16

Annoying subject for me, I work 50+ hours in a busy coffee store, rarely I get a break, we have a 2 year old at home whom my partner cares for while in at work. On my days off I need to give him a break.. But I'm exhausted. I know she's hard work as I used to be the one at home with her and I never asked for help, I did all the housework, and I still do. He often wipes the surfaces down and washes the pots a few times a week. It's a cause of constant debate with us as he's glued to his laptop inventing some way to make us millionaires. While in actually getting things done. We're pregnant again as we're very comfortable financially but I wonder what will change when I'm on maternity leave again Wink

JeanneTheRabidFeminist · 12/03/2015 20:32

This article starts from a false premise, anyway. Where's the evidence things have changed since 1989? All that's mentioned is one point about the US. Not really enough, is it?

I read recently that Middle Class men are still doing very little of the traditional 'wifework', and that it hasn't really improved. I can believe that. I've seen a few couples who claim to split things 50/50 or 'fairly' and it clearly isn't - and there's huge pressure on both men and women to believe that it is.

JeanneTheRabidFeminist · 12/03/2015 20:33

(Note to self: don't post blunt criticisms under current joke name. Blush I accept that the longer book may cover all of this - it's just a bit hard to engage with a premise that isn't really explored.)

gaahhnonicknamesleft · 12/03/2015 20:43

We split things fairly evenly in our house - I am in charge of laundry and DH in charge of catering. We have a cleaner. We have recently switched over in terms of who works locally and who commutes, so he now does childcare drop offs and pick ups, which is stressful part of the day. I refuse to feel sorry for him as I have done that for 4 years.

The only niggle I have relates to assumptions/gratitude - for example if a DC pukes just before nursery and I stay at home dh would never dream of saying thank you to me, whereas I do thank him if he stays home (even though it is probably 50:50 who stays, depends who has what meetings). If he cuts the grass (again a 50:50 job) I say thankyou but dh never would even think to be grateful.

I also might punch SIL if she says how lucky I am again next time she sees him ironing (which he does sometimes, she doesn't know that is my job usually) grrrrrrrrrAngry

ceeveebee · 12/03/2015 22:15

I work 4 days and DH FT, we each earn a similar amount. We have 3 yo twins who go to a combination of nursery/childminder. I do all the childcare drop offs/pick ups (DH has a longer working day than me) bath and bed, food shopping and cooking, DH does the dishes and gardening. Cleaning, laundry and ironing all outsourced. Feels pretty fair but I do feel pressure from having sole responsibility to get DCs up and out on time and to get home to collect every night.

IceniMist · 12/03/2015 22:35

Both work equal hours but mine is squashed into four days. I have the fifth work day with my 3 year old. House work split about 30/60 with me doing the most. Throw in two adult stepchildren who treat the house like a hotel means I often feel fedup.

puthyjip43 · 13/03/2015 03:06

I work 3 days a week my husband FT we have a 16 month on in daycare for my 3 work days, Iook after her ont days off.
I'm in charge of finances, shopping, laundry, cooking and general organising.
DH does DIY, car stuff and his ironing (I don't iron)
Cleaning is outsourced and we share dishes duties after dinner, childcare on weekends so we both get a break, sick days at home if baby is sick and also pick up/drop offs to daycare
It is quite a traditional set up but works for us, we are both happy. I feel grateful DH can earn enough for me to be part time

fufulina · 13/03/2015 06:55

It isn't necessarily the hours spent working, it's the infernal ticker tape of what needs doing, and that never switches off and that is exhausting.

Although my DH is very hands on with the children, and does meal planning and shopping - everything else - school admin, health and dental, cat, car, house, holidays, finances, birthdays, Christmas, social life - happens because I plan it and do it.

We both work. I work 4 days, DH FT.

This is not a fair division of labour. Mostly because I can never truly switch off. DH waits for me to tell him what needs doing - and even though we have had exhaustive conversations about how this can change, it doesn't change.

My resentment if his inability to step up and be a part of this partnership is slowly suffocating our marriage.

IceniMist · 13/03/2015 07:56

Fulfina, that is exactly how I feel.

BlackBettyBamALam · 13/03/2015 08:18

fufulina I hear you! My resentment has been escalating as DH doesn't pull his weight, despite endless discussions. We've been together for over 15 years, it's not like he doesn't know what needs doing.

Since having a second DC, things changed dramatically in our house. We both worked ft before, long hours and a fair bit of travel. Jobs were split a bit more fairly. Nowadays, I'm at home with a non-sleeping 2yo. DH works ft, and while I appreciate he works hard, he doesn't pick up after himself, never mind helping with the chores. Doing everything on a couple of hours sleep a night is really hard.

Y1ash · 13/03/2015 10:06

My dh works 2 nights and i work ft 3 long days. He does the childcare those days and all the school dropoffs for 2 dc's. I do the pik ups on my days off. He will cook and sort kids out but i do all the cleaning, shopping, admin, bills, car because i drive more. He will do garden if i pester him. He does his own ironing because i dont iron. I do get resentful because i do more. He would never clean the toilet and if he does i thank him but if i do he doesnt even notice.
One thing i must say is i do what i can and dont get hung up on things if i cant. He is my childcare so i suppose it works out well.

tumbletumble · 13/03/2015 10:32

We have a fairly traditional model of him working full time long hours and me working part time and doing the lion's share of the childcare and housework. Although I do more of the drudgery stuff, I also have more time to myself (I work three days and the DC are all at school now so I have two days off - the housework doesn't take that long!). I love my time with the DC and I wouldn't swap roles with DH for anything!

stargirl1701 · 13/03/2015 11:02

Fulfina, you got it. That's how I feel too.

BitOutOfPractice · 13/03/2015 12:54

jeanne I came to post the same thing. I struggled with the OP because I couldn't get past the blithe assertion that most households now divide work equally. Where is the evidence for that?

And no mention of single parent households. Or where either adult works. Odd

JeanneTheRabidFeminist · 13/03/2015 12:58

This doesn't give much detail - though it does at least reference the study it's discussing, so there is some evidence - but it's interesting. www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/feb/08/men-women-cleaning-gender-divide-middle-class-men-do-less

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