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Guest post: Shirley Conran - 'maths is a feminist issue'

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MumsnetGuestPosts · 12/09/2014 17:03

The only sex education my mother ever gave me was a little book about goldfish; so if I ever fall in love with a goldfish, I shall know exactly what to do. Sex was one of those things people assumed young ladies didn't need to know about. Another was money, and I was taught even less about that. Whilst (thankfully) our sex education has come on leaps and bounds, I believe there's still an issue with what we tell our daughters about finance and maths.

First off, there are a couple of myths about maths that need addressing. The first is that some people are born with a ‘gift’ for maths which others lack. Actually, only 3% of us have dyscalculia – which means you really can't do maths – so 97% of us are more than capable.

Secondly, it's a myth that boys are naturally better at maths than girls. In fact, girls actually do better than boys until puberty. But it seems that lots of girls are led to believe that once they leave school, the only time they’ll need maths is to calculate their cycle.

Clearly, we'll all need maths after school, for everything from going to the shops to starting your own business. It is part of an adult's daily life, and you can't do much without it.

As a schoolgirl, I experienced a fear of maths that I now know was down to bad teaching. When I started a business, I had to teach myself the basics. I didn't learn bookkeeping until I was fifty years old - my son's PA taught me in half an hour, and it transformed my life. Suddenly, all the maths stuff made sense and I asked myself, why - when I now found maths so interesting, useful and easy to understand - had I ever found it so terrifying?

The answer became obvious when I started researching for an online maths course I was writing. A number of girls and women told me: “I'm hopeless as maths because my mother was.” But surely they would never have said they couldn't read or write because their mother couldn't? Lots of them seemed to believe that boys had inherited a few extra chromosomes, perhaps called MA (‘Maths Ability’) and GM (‘Good at Money’).

Too often, I still hear the phrase “my partner does all our money stuff”. I think that lots of women still lack the confidence to take charge of their family’s finances, and it becomes easier to accept that the man will be the one to look after the mortgage payments and life insurance, because, naturally he will have MA and GM. But what if said man falls under a bus?

I want all women to be able to know whether she is getting the best deal, from her energy bills to her phone plan. Women need maths to be independent. Sometimes, relying on your partner’s income is unavoidable. The gender pay gap, maternity leave, the cost of childcare – society is structured so that many women, at various points in their lives, are financially dependent on men. But a good understanding of maths and budgeting can mitigate this.

If a woman believes she can’t understand money, then she can’t interfere with a man’s expenditure or financial plans. It has suited men to have women believe that they are physiologically lacking in maths ability – and it still does. This is why maths is a feminist issue.

Maths is essential to making money and spending it shrewdly. It costs an average of £220,000 to raise a child, and when the majority of day-to-day costs are still left to the mothers to sort out, the least we can do is equip our daughters with the budgeting skills they'll need.

If you are someone who lacks confidence in maths, I believe that you can learn it by yourself, half an hour at a time. There really is nothing to stop you: you have as much MA and GM as any man.

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CoteDAzur · 15/09/2014 15:04

"There is a general problem around maths in this country"

Very true.

Many women might have the additional problem of low self-confidence re math, but rest assured that English men don't usually have a good understanding of mathematics, either. Oxbridge graduates I know have a shockingly weak grasp on simple mathematical concepts such as fractions.

UK-educated people I have spoken to say that this is due to (1) early specialisation - i.e. a large percentage of the population select other (easier?) classes in their teens and so do not get into anything beyond quadratic equations and (2) relying on everyday language in problems (rather than mathematical symbols) which confuse many children and leave them with the sense that mathematics is an ambiguous discipline that is open to interpretation.

It is also sad that SC seems to think that mathematics is limited to arithmetics - that which should be totally mastered by age 11 or so. Budgeting, energy bills etc are all possible with an understanding of the four simple arithmetic operations (+, -, x, :). I would like to see all women know and understand geometry and probability, at the very least.

EBearhug · 15/09/2014 15:20

I think the problem with confidence is that if someone feels they can't do something well, there's more likelihood that they'll hand it over entirely to someone else, and the results of that can definitely be a feminist issue.

I agree with those who say it wasn't an issue 30 years ago; my maths teacher just told me I'd fail my exams because my handwriting wasn't neat enough. (I got an A, and I'd have told him that, had he been at the school thing I went to last week.) But I think in my case, it helped massively that I went to a single-sex secondary school. Also, Bearhugs are brought up with expectations that they can do maths - my grandmother did maths at Cambridge between the wars. But for me it is a feminist issue because I see many women who don't have the same sort of confidence, and I work in an industry where maths is important (IT), and there just aren't that many women around. That's not just because many give up maths as soon as they can, but it can be one of the factors.

EBearhug · 15/09/2014 15:21

I also agree with CoteDAzur about there being too early specialisation here. (Still feel bitter about having to give up most subjects at A-level!)

CoteDAzur · 15/09/2014 15:52

Weird to see that the division part of four arithmetic operations in my last post has been turned into a smiley. That was : followed by a ). A feminist issue?

EBearhug · 15/09/2014 16:51

Nah, that's a coding issue, automatically converting certain combinations of characters into smilies. :)

LibPrice · 15/09/2014 21:01

I have to say it's the opposite in our house! Whilst I have a maths degree (never ever chose to do a maths degree because of the gender imbalance!!!) and am a chartered accountant, my husband is the Managing Director of a business, and so more than competent - but I still do all of the home finances. For us it's playing to our strengths - and maths / accounting / form filling are some of mine. And there's the matter of my control freak-ness too......

I was VERY fatalistic before our 4th child was born - and did him a huge document detailing what accounts / policies etc we had where as he really wouldn't have a clue! Thankfully he hasn't had to use it.....

I will make sure all my children - male and female - are thoroughly briefed in all matters financial.

ErrolTheDragon · 15/09/2014 22:41

never ever chose to do a maths degree because of the gender imbalance!!!
but until more women do choose to go into maths - and other STEM careers - we'll never redress that imbalance. My DD was looking at some stats about the small number of women doing engineering and physics and bemoaning the fact that a lot of her friends won't consider doing these subjects because girls don't do them.

spiacentini · 16/09/2014 09:36

I was recently shocked to hear a top girls school advertising on the radio saying here "Girls can study the subjects they enjoy".

I was enraged because girls can do ALL subjects.

I got a 1st in Maths and Statistics at Liverpool University and then qualified as an Actuary.On a school re-union one of my fellow ex pupils (male) was not impressed- he had expected me to become a nuclear physicist!

Keep up the Maths and Physics girls!

spiacentini · 16/09/2014 09:44

Teaching in maths is centred on arithmetic. This is akin in English to learning the alphabet and spending the entire curriculum time on putting things in alphabetical order or spelling tests without ever reaching the joys of reading a book. Maths teaching has to progress at a faster pace and pupils have to reach a point where they see the beauty and power of maths.
There is too much emphasis on making sure that the majority can do the basics but education should stretch everyone.
There is too much learning of processes without learning the theory and fundamentals- we need to get back to first principles and create pupils who can think and problem solve.

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