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Guest post: Treat culture - to blame for the obesity crisis?

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MumsnetGuestPosts · 26/06/2014 10:22

We live in a treat culture, besieged by advertisers of sweets and chocolates, urging us to reward ourselves and our kids. Because we're worth it. Because it will make them happy. Because it is a kind of tangible proof that we love them. And because, our kids tell us, 'all our friends have this stuff and their parents are kinder than you.' There is massive emotional blackmail going on when it comes to food.

Even if you take a tough(ish) line on sweets, it is all but impossible to resist the pressure to allow snacks. Children do get hungry between meals, especially if they didn't eat a proper breakfast or lunch. I have a child who is a monster when she is hungry and sweetness itself once she has had something to eat. Breadsticks and apples work when they are small, but then the clamour for crisps and chips and cake begins. Do you give in or do you make an issue of food? Either course seems hazardous.

Usually the arguments catch us at a bad moment - typically at the local shops or the supermarket. They may be tired and fractious, or simply full of energy. We are plain tired. Are we prepared to wage war with the kids at the checkout? Or is it just not worth the grief?

No, it's not important enough for tears and tantrums - theirs or ours - but yes, it does matter. Among the many things I learned in the course of my research for this book is that our attitudes to food - not only what we give our children, but how we ourselves react and behave - crucially shape their future eating habits. But, I came to realise, these habits are really not entirely our fault. In fact, it's not even mostly our fault if our children are eating too much of the wrong foods and drinking too much sugar-laden pop. There is a massively rich and influential food and drink industry out there - and I include the supermarkets in that - which has spent decades persuading us it is normal to buy this stuff and that the convenience will allow us to live more fulfilled lives.

But even well clued-up parents resistant to marketing can have a tough time trying to encourage their children to eat a healthy diet. The first problem is establishing what a healthy diet looks like, with competing claims that sugar is the cause of obesity rather than that old villain, saturated fat. As we now know, there is sugar in pasta sauce and in ketchup, and it is ladled into “low fat” yoghurts to improve the taste.

We used to think fruit juice and smoothies were undeniably healthy, but now it turns out that the concentrated juice contains excessive sugar. And while trans-fats are evil (and disappearing) and too much saturated fat in meat and butter is not recommended, olive oil and other mono- and polyunsaturated fats are positively good for you.

I think there are two main rules of thumb. Robert Lustig, the US paediatrician who is the most vocal opponent of sugar, says “Eat real food”. Other experts say similar things. Processed food is bad news. Vegetables, fruit (eaten whole!), nuts, pulses, fish and lean meat are all good. It does mean a return to cooking, but not the sort of labour-intensive dinner and dessert our grans used to serve up. There are quick and easy meals - bolognaise, grilled meat, fish fried in olive oil - which don’t take that much longer than heating up a ready meal out of a box. Nor are they always more expensive, as food campaigner and MN blogger Jack Monroe has shown.

Will the kids eat it? Ah. That's where the second, more difficult rule comes in. Our own attitude plays a part. They are influenced by what we eat and what they see us enjoy, particularly in the early years before the cultural influences and peer group pressure start. A parent who says “if you eat your dinner you can have some ice cream” is setting up a conviction in the child that dinner is not as nice as pudding. Psychologist Jane Ogden from Surrey University told me that there are three main influences on our developing appetite: our culture (chicken nuggets in the UK, fish and rice in Japan), our parents’ likes and dislikes (and later on, those of their mates) and association (chocolate mousse is preferable to fish).

They need to see that we enjoy eating green beans. In an ideal world, we’d all sit round the table together, eating the same thing, taking time over a meal and having enough to stay full until the next one. Yes, it's tough and maybe only fully doable at the weekend. But I think we're worth it.

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fuzzpig · 27/06/2014 20:08

Interesting post and discussion :)

For me, the constant requests aren't really an issue, I no longer generally have biscuits etc in the house. When we are out we eat anything, they have fizzy drinks in restaurants etc, as others have said I think if they eat healthily most of the time then there's no need to be too obsessed with what they have. If we are in a shop and they want something, they accept it if I say no.

I like them to have a bit of awareness about healthy eating, I don't think there's anything wrong with saying, for example, no we aren't having xxx as we had some recently and we don't have it that often because it's not so good for you.

They are learning to notice the effects of certain foods on their body though. For example DD had fizzy drinks two days in a row this week - dinner out on her birthday so she was allowed Pepsi, and we dug out the barely-used (free gift) soda stream when we had people round for cake. Both evenings she had a really sore tummy at bedtime and she agreed it may be the fizz as she's not used to so much at once. I've said she can always have some if she wants to in restaurants etc but it would be good to only have a little bit.

I also agree exercise is a big part of it, too many children are driven everywhere if DCs' friends are anything to go by. Easy for me to be smug about that though since we don't actually have a car :o

Advicepleasefolks · 27/06/2014 20:26

MerryMarigold we are not in England so no Ofsted!

MerryMarigold · 27/06/2014 21:39

We moan about the packed lunch police over here, but maybe it is a good thing. I can see that if some kids were bringing chocolate everyday, dc would be wanting it too and it makes it harder. Sometimes the rules are there for a good reason. Where are you, advice, and are many kids obese?

Advicepleasefolks · 27/06/2014 22:20

Scotland. And yes! Though I have to say not too bad (relatively) in our school. It's more obvious that there are more overweight kids than there used to be at High School age, maybe as activity levels drop off?

TheHoneyBadger · 28/06/2014 09:03

or depression, boredom and comfort eating kicks in. we always talk about obesity as if it was just about food rather than looking at what makes individuals overeat.

ppeatfruit · 28/06/2014 11:12

There are as many reasons for over eating as there are people.TheHoneybadger

But a lot of us seem to crave highly salted and highly sweetened junk\fast 'empty' foods IMO and E.

unrealhousewife · 28/06/2014 20:10

Honeybadger it's a lot harder to Overeat without sugar as an ingredient.

Filling up on chips doesn't take too much, but wash it down with coke and you double the calories. Mars bars aren't that big and you could have a days calorie allowance at one sitting.

Sugar makes a huge difference.

JaneParker · 28/06/2014 20:33

Yes, sugar is at the root of it and processed foods. We simply don't have any foods like that in the house so no one has them unless they can be bothered to take themselves out to a shop to buy them. I have teenagers so we have lots of interesting discussions about foods and different views on foods. I am lucky they eat well.

I eat 100% paleo myself anyway and just drink water.

unrealhousewife · 28/06/2014 21:30

Most posters on here are fully aware of good dietary habits but we tend to have an attitude of 'if I can do it why can't everyone else?'.

The treat culture is deeply ingrained in our genetic evolutionary psyche (my term for it). We are programmed to want to eat sugar. When it's in almost everything we eat it wreaks havoc on our appetite and we forget what we want or need.

Your taxes are paying for the healthcare of those people who have been duped by the sugar industry and are eating themselves into an early grave. Telling them to stop with dietary advice from on high is pointless. We need to price it so high that people just can't afford to buy it. Putting 20p on a bottle is pissing in the wind.

tempe48 · 28/06/2014 22:33

Well, I think the last paragraph is sad - that sitting round the table, eating together is only doable at weekends? How do her children eat in the week?

I've sat down and eaten dinner with my 3 children every night all their lives - food cooked from the raw ingredients!

ppeatfruit · 29/06/2014 10:42

IMO the govts. are hypocritical with their 'advice' ; they don't help by making all fresh foods cheaper. Just putting up prices of rubbish will only make a lot of people poorer. They are the same with alcohol and packaging it's crazy actually.

TheHoneyBadger · 29/06/2014 10:54

would you like a badge tempe48 or will the warm glow of smugness be enough?

TheHoneyBadger · 29/06/2014 10:55

the only regular source of sugar i get is in alcohol and this thread has caused me to pause and wonder if it's the sugar as much as the alcohol that sometimes makes me want to have a drink.

TheHoneyBadger · 29/06/2014 10:57

i actually think it is because when that hanker for a drink particular feeling comes upon me it's beer that i fancy rather than something with less or no sugar. i crave a fizzy beer. god that's food for thought. given beer is about the only sugar filled thing i consume it would make sense that a craving for sugar would translate as a craving for a beer i guess. hmm.

ppeatfruit · 29/06/2014 18:09

Well both sugar and alcohol are addictive as I'm sure you know The HoneyBadger Grin

JaneParker · 29/06/2014 18:35

Indeed - they work on th ebit of the brain crack cocaine works on and you start with needing a little hit and then more and more of it. Some people don't have that brain chemistry. One of my sons can get an Easter egg and eat a tiny piece a day over 6 weeks. Most people are unlike him and stuff it all down and for some of us it is better not to have any of that kind of food at all just like you don't give alcoholics a little bit of alcohol.

TheHoneyBadger · 29/06/2014 18:43

for sure ppeat Grin but it is interesting to realise that what you assume is hankering after one may actually be the other. i am not a daytime eater so when i get an out of nowhere craving for a drink in the late afternoon it could actually be that my body/brain has learnt that's where it can get quick sugar from

TheHoneyBadger · 29/06/2014 18:44

oh and jane my sister was the one piece a day and torture everyone else with her ability to make easter eggs last months. she is now clinically obese and has absolutely no self restraint so clearly that chemistry is plastic like most of our neural functioning.

unrealhousewife · 29/06/2014 18:53

That's interesting about your son Jane, I used to be the same as a child but it was partly because we didn't have much sugar at home so I valued it more than I craved it. At 14 things turned upside down, and I think changes in the teenage brain don't help, that's exactly when we are looking for stimuli and exactly when we are all let out of school for lunch to the nearest sweet shop.

I disagree that people are being smug, it just highlights that government advice simply winds everyone up, not just those who can't afford fresh veg or those who have no willpower.

Consider the smoking ban. Years of government advice and tweaking advertising. Decades in fact, meanwhile we all got sicker. Then the smoking ban comes in (fairly quickly, unfairly in Scotland first) and now nobody peeps about it. We need rules from on high, not just kindly advice.

I'm not sure whether health risks from smoking are higher than those from sugar, but over the years it may cost the NHS far more. diabetics live on for decades on medications.

unrealhousewife · 29/06/2014 18:56

Honeybadger you don't eat all day then crave for a drink? That really doesn't sound healthy at all.

TheHoneyBadger · 30/06/2014 07:51

not every day unreal! honest. no, it's more i've noticed say i'm having a really busy active day and haven't eaten, i am likely to crave having a beer which this discussion has made me realise is probably to do with the sugar and given i don't really eat anything with sugar added on a regular basis beer is possibly what my body associates with a sugar fix. i may experiment and see the next time it happens if a sugary alcohol free drink sates it the same - then i will know it's about sugar.

ppeatfruit · 30/06/2014 09:49

Interesting about the people who don't (or didn't) crave sugar;dh never even liked sugary carby food in his slim 20s but now he's hooked on it, and a pre type 2 diabetic, I reckon it's just the eating of it that does it! we're all different in our reactions to it as well.

I don't have refined sugar but I cook with molasses and maple syrup occasionally and find I want a bit of the brownie (or whatever) every day so even the BEST unrefined sweeteners have that inherent in them. it's like coffee.

MerryMarigold · 30/06/2014 10:01

ppeatfruit. You also crave sugar for energy, so tiredness and small kids could have done it for your dh too. Anecdotally, I also crave sugar less when I am exercising more, like my body just doesn't want stuff that's bad for it. It's odd.

MerryMarigold · 30/06/2014 10:03

Honey, however busy you are, you can surely manage breakfast and lunch or a couple of snacks. If not, you are far too busy and will die of a heart attack, not induced by obesity but by stress! There's more to health than healthy eating.

ppeatfruit · 30/06/2014 10:44

I find I want to EAT less when I'm exercising more MerryMarigold whatever the food. That's the answer isn't it? It's not really the sugar causing the weight problems it's (as a lot of us have already said) lack of exercise!!