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Guest post: Treat culture - to blame for the obesity crisis?

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MumsnetGuestPosts · 26/06/2014 10:22

We live in a treat culture, besieged by advertisers of sweets and chocolates, urging us to reward ourselves and our kids. Because we're worth it. Because it will make them happy. Because it is a kind of tangible proof that we love them. And because, our kids tell us, 'all our friends have this stuff and their parents are kinder than you.' There is massive emotional blackmail going on when it comes to food.

Even if you take a tough(ish) line on sweets, it is all but impossible to resist the pressure to allow snacks. Children do get hungry between meals, especially if they didn't eat a proper breakfast or lunch. I have a child who is a monster when she is hungry and sweetness itself once she has had something to eat. Breadsticks and apples work when they are small, but then the clamour for crisps and chips and cake begins. Do you give in or do you make an issue of food? Either course seems hazardous.

Usually the arguments catch us at a bad moment - typically at the local shops or the supermarket. They may be tired and fractious, or simply full of energy. We are plain tired. Are we prepared to wage war with the kids at the checkout? Or is it just not worth the grief?

No, it's not important enough for tears and tantrums - theirs or ours - but yes, it does matter. Among the many things I learned in the course of my research for this book is that our attitudes to food - not only what we give our children, but how we ourselves react and behave - crucially shape their future eating habits. But, I came to realise, these habits are really not entirely our fault. In fact, it's not even mostly our fault if our children are eating too much of the wrong foods and drinking too much sugar-laden pop. There is a massively rich and influential food and drink industry out there - and I include the supermarkets in that - which has spent decades persuading us it is normal to buy this stuff and that the convenience will allow us to live more fulfilled lives.

But even well clued-up parents resistant to marketing can have a tough time trying to encourage their children to eat a healthy diet. The first problem is establishing what a healthy diet looks like, with competing claims that sugar is the cause of obesity rather than that old villain, saturated fat. As we now know, there is sugar in pasta sauce and in ketchup, and it is ladled into “low fat” yoghurts to improve the taste.

We used to think fruit juice and smoothies were undeniably healthy, but now it turns out that the concentrated juice contains excessive sugar. And while trans-fats are evil (and disappearing) and too much saturated fat in meat and butter is not recommended, olive oil and other mono- and polyunsaturated fats are positively good for you.

I think there are two main rules of thumb. Robert Lustig, the US paediatrician who is the most vocal opponent of sugar, says “Eat real food”. Other experts say similar things. Processed food is bad news. Vegetables, fruit (eaten whole!), nuts, pulses, fish and lean meat are all good. It does mean a return to cooking, but not the sort of labour-intensive dinner and dessert our grans used to serve up. There are quick and easy meals - bolognaise, grilled meat, fish fried in olive oil - which don’t take that much longer than heating up a ready meal out of a box. Nor are they always more expensive, as food campaigner and MN blogger Jack Monroe has shown.

Will the kids eat it? Ah. That's where the second, more difficult rule comes in. Our own attitude plays a part. They are influenced by what we eat and what they see us enjoy, particularly in the early years before the cultural influences and peer group pressure start. A parent who says “if you eat your dinner you can have some ice cream” is setting up a conviction in the child that dinner is not as nice as pudding. Psychologist Jane Ogden from Surrey University told me that there are three main influences on our developing appetite: our culture (chicken nuggets in the UK, fish and rice in Japan), our parents’ likes and dislikes (and later on, those of their mates) and association (chocolate mousse is preferable to fish).

They need to see that we enjoy eating green beans. In an ideal world, we’d all sit round the table together, eating the same thing, taking time over a meal and having enough to stay full until the next one. Yes, it's tough and maybe only fully doable at the weekend. But I think we're worth it.

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unrealhousewife · 27/06/2014 07:50

Snacking isn't really a huge problem, humans are hunter gatherers, it fits with our genetic evolution. Most tomato sauces only have extra thickener, overall it does you a lot more good than harm. Rice cakes are as good as any other snack, sure the flavours and added sugar aren't great, but tiny amounts won't damage you.

The constant redefining of foods is wrong because it detracts from the main issue, that sugar should be made hugely expensive.

The food industry love sugar, it is their magic ingredient. Without it we would all be eating sensibly and wouldn't be constantly craving for that treat.

Every article blaming people for unhealthy eating is simply a convenient distraction for the food industry and enables them to continue to keep us hooked on this drug.

MerryMarigold · 27/06/2014 09:55

I see a lot of overweight kids where I live and I do wonder what they are eating. I know some of it can be genetic. But my kids have full fat Greek yoghurt for breakfast with Granola (very, very high cal and fat), dessert in school and dessert at home at least 4x per week, plus 2 main dinners plus fruit snack in school and biscuit/ cake/ popcorn/ fruit after school. They are like sticks. They are fairly active but not massively (they are tired after school and tend to play games or watch TV not play football or go on trampoline). I am constantly trying to get weight on ds1. But I do home cook all my meals apart from fish fingers and chips. And I do buy the bread from bakery section which is sliced but not in the plastic wrap, and it doesn't last as long as the other bread so I assume there is less tat in it. Maybe it is something to do with processed food.

Interested in this mominatrix the demonisation of foods into good and bad is counterproductive, dangerous, and just plain wrong. We have lost sight of what food should be. Can you elaborate?

Advicepleasefolks · 27/06/2014 09:56

I do see a change in snacking behaviour in small kids. I see 4 and 5 year olds eating snacks during hour long sporting activities when told to get a water break- which come to think of it is usually juice or squash.

At my local primary the kids have chocolate and crisps during their 15 minute morning break. It was very rare for anyone to take a snack in when I was at school. I thought school trips were ace as I had crisps and a can of Lilt! Once a year... I sound a little bitter!Grin

ppeatfruit · 27/06/2014 10:01

It would be interesting to check the amount of sugar and SALT used by the fast\junk food sellers. IMO and E it's difficult separate the two because our bodies crave them E.G. a sweet cake after a pack of salty crisps.

unrealhousewife · 27/06/2014 10:09

Thinking about it when dcs were young and I would meet other Mums I would never take anything with me, it would be two hours or so. They were far more into healthy foods than me, I just did it because I thought they knew better. We do drip feed them nowadays. It stops at school thankfully.

unrealhousewife · 27/06/2014 10:17

Omitted to say that my healthy friends would always be the ones with snacks.

Advicepleasefolks · 27/06/2014 10:45

The general advice for adults the last 20 years was not to miss breakfast then healthy snacking and frequent small meals to avoid blood sugar dips. I think we are in the middle of a big turnaround in the evidence and subsequent official advice. Smaller kids will always have smaller more frequent eating patterns but maybe the automatic thrusting of (healthy) snacks at them will get reined in.

MerryMarigold · 27/06/2014 12:10

Adviceplease, your local school is missing a trick with OFSTED. It's so easy to get a healthy eating rating. I don't know of any schools where you are allowed to bring a snack, let alone chocolate. We are not allowed choc or crisps or anything except water in packed lunch either. At our infants, the school provide fruit and milk which they stop by Y3.

MerryMarigold · 27/06/2014 12:11

When I say nothing except water, I mean no other drinks! Water only would certainly be a low fat/ low cal/ low carb lunch!

GrubbyOldSock · 27/06/2014 12:29

Desert was ALWAYS after you had eaten your main, but the obesity epidemic has only happened in the past 2 generations. I think it it silly to say you can train a child to not realise that desert is a treat.

GrubbyOldSock · 27/06/2014 12:32

Agree about snacks. Kids don't need them. I love seeing parents fret that their children"don't eat a thing" while managing to forget they've just demolished a bag of cheesey crackers, grapes, raisins, and a biscuit.

They are stuffed, that's why they've not eaten their lunch!

TheHoneyBadger · 27/06/2014 12:33

seriously look at what has been added to food in the last two generations. and look where the obesity issue started and the timeline there with the addition of these ingredients (for want of a better word) to food.

TheHoneyBadger · 27/06/2014 12:34

i disagree 'kids don't need snacks' - maybe some don't. they're not a generic blob but individuals with different metabolisms.

if a child is only eating healthy food i'd love to see them get their calorific needs in 3 meals only. unless these are children who don't expend as much energy as my son does the meals would have to be way beyond what his small stomach could take in one go.

ppeatfruit · 27/06/2014 13:21

TheHoney Exactly. I can't eat enough at a meal to only eat 3 meals a day let alone children! I do follow the Paul Mckenna way of eating though. I eat when I'm hungry; I'm not fat now Grin!

TheHoneyBadger · 27/06/2014 13:22

whereas i couldn't eat three meals a day as i'd still be trying to digest the last one and would end up bloated and wanting to go to bed. i don't know why we pretend one thing suits all.

TheHoneyBadger · 27/06/2014 13:24

i'm actually beginning to think this is some kind of deliberately induced neurosis to distract people, and channel their anxiety, away from things that actually matter and are worth this much energy and concern.

unrealhousewife · 27/06/2014 14:04

I'd like to also mention the skinny past kids you see these days whose parents insist they are healthy. You get skinny healthy kids who have chubby faces but you do get the ones that are really ill looking. In every case I know their parents are in complete denial about their children's health.

So what Honey says about nutrition advice leading to neurosis is right. Charge much more for sugar and these children will hopefully benefit too from a less deterministic approach to the nations obesity, because obesity won't be a problem and foods will be forbidden because they are expensive, not unhealthy. When the parents of unhealthy skinny children are refusing them full fat milk, bacon, Chips and creamy puddings there is a big problem.

TheHoneyBadger · 27/06/2014 14:06

i have seen people be immensely proud that their unhealthily thin children aren't allowed snacks and only eat at mealtimes and eat everything that's put in front of them. err that's because they're starving! literally!

Floppityflop · 27/06/2014 15:08

We are so obsessed with carbs, protein, fat, sugar... It's just food. Eat food, mostly plants!

Floppityflop · 27/06/2014 15:10

And I think there will come a time when this isn't a problem because we will be facing a real food crisis, which is a national security crisis we seem quite happy to walk into. Average age of a UK farmer is over 55!

rhetorician · 27/06/2014 16:11

My kids snack, but I'd say they eat about 5 small meals a day, I.e. Their dinners aren't that much bigger than their snacks. If they don't eat, I don't worry. They have a snack at school around 10 (but start early so breakfast is done usually by 7.30 in our house) and lunch at about 12.10. Dd has something small (often leftover lunch) when she gets home, dinner at about 6, fruit or crackers before bed

unrealhousewife · 27/06/2014 16:55

Fruit OR crackers isn't a small meal rhetorician.

Dentists wouldn't like your system unless they rinse their mouths out after each snack.

unrealhousewife · 27/06/2014 16:59

Honey I don't think people count calories for their childrens food which is a problem, quite often they're just not getting the calories. They need a lot more than most people think. At a time when their bones are growing adults should be a little less obsessed. Obesity in adults is what costs money and lives and that's just down to cheap filler food, particularly sugar.

ppeatfruit · 27/06/2014 17:35

Pardon `unreal an apple "isn't a small meal" you mean it's a snack yes?

Oh and my dm has taken fruit to eat in bed for many years . She still has all her own teeth and is 85. The dentists are happy with her!

rhetorician · 27/06/2014 18:03

The fruit/crackers before bed is sort of an extension of dinner! Yes, teeth! They brush twice a day, but don't eat very much processed sugar/sweets/juice/fizzy drinks. Dd1's teeth are good, but it is something to watch. But we are perhaps getting off track, it's not really about what my kids eat or don't eat. I think the point I was making is at to I am conscious of what they eat, keen to ensure it is mostly healthy, whilst admitting that it isn't perfect. Equally I don't want them to be over conscious of what they eat, but they both know what foods are good for them and which are not. I want them to enjoy food, know how to cook food, but not be in thrall to it, either through emotional eating or because of weight issues