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Guest post: Why is society so ambivalent about stay-at-home mums?

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KateMumsnet · 26/02/2014 11:27

Historically women (and children) have always worked. The poor would either take their children to work with them, or leave them with extended families. At the other end of the scale, rich women would leave their children in the care of a nanny while they managed household staff and organised events - long before these activities became viable career choices.

What's changed is that there is now an expectation - or illusion - of choice in the matter. When I was growing up, we had a female prime minister, and Alexis Carrington was the most famous woman on TV. We were told that we could have it all – glittering career, thriving children and a happy marriage.

It was a lie. As adults, we discover that economic necessity, the needs of children and our own aspirations all pull us in different directions. Rather than 'having it all', we choose our path and passionately defend our decisions against the different choices, opinions and expectations of others. Someone, somewhere will always disagree.

Obviously, there's a tension for those who would love to make a different choice, but can't. For some, working just isn't worth it. Salaries can't compete with the crippling cost of formal childcare, and for many of us, family aren't on hand to help. For others, rocketing property prices and rents mean that often both parents must work to afford the roof over their heads and an acceptable standard of living. With the prospect of meagre pensions, tuition fees, care homes and future property prices, there's a strong chance my children might, at 25, wish I'd traded those extra games of Scrabble for a decent deposit on a flat.

Over the past eight years I've worked part-time, freelanced, stayed at home and run my own business. I gave up my “glittering” corporate TV career and moved out of London, back to the village I grew up in, after the birth of son number 2. Not one of those solutions has been perfect, none of them have been easy and I have beaten myself up over each and every decision.

But the decision to stay at home was the one that I struggled with most. Like squabbling siblings, what I wanted for my children, my own identity and my relationship constantly clashed. Enduring stereotypes are of either the dull but worthy women, who were relieved that finally nothing more was expected of them in terms of their career - or the wealthy, well-groomed types who rule the PTA with an iron fist. The woman who actively chooses to stay at home seems to stir a wealth of confused emotions in all of us.

And as a feminist, I couldn't help feeling that I was letting the side down. By the time I had children I was successful, financially independent and viewed my marriage as a partnership of equals. The notion that I could give it all up in favour of singing ‘the wheels on the bus’ and sorting the laundry seemed extraordinary. I was uncomfortable with being financially dependent on my husband and I didn't like what it did to our relationship (there was an argument about aubergines I shan't forget). I had grown up with my mother laying out my father's clothes in the morning, but had expected something different for myself: this was not what feminism had fought for; this was not my place. How could I bring my sons up to respect women and treat them as equals if I wasn't an equal partner in my own house?

And yet, I wanted to be at home with my children. I wanted to be the one that cuddled them, read them stories and watched them grow. I wanted to make them toast when they came home from school. I felt my children needed me - and for many women, no job is more important.

And what about the state's position on all this? It seems to be ambivalent at best; fundamentally, it views you in terms of economic worth. We have an ageing population and we need people of working age to pay for them. The fact that children need nurturing, educating, and caring for is overlooked. That future generation of voters is not important right now. Politicians might pay lip service to the value of carers, but the welfare system reveals the truth – they are a burden; they've made a ‘lifestyle choice’ and they aren't ‘pulling their weight’.

The government's answer is to institutionalise childcare; to lengthen school days and cut holidays. They seem to be arguing simultaneously that looking after children is worthless, and yet too important to be left to mere parents. This benefits no one, except employers who no longer have the hassle of negotiating flexibility. It certainly doesn't benefit children or families.

The result is that we all feel confused and a little resentful. Working women will label stay at home mothers as ‘lazy’ or ‘lucky’, and stay at home mothers will accuse working mothers of being ‘selfish’. Both sides feel guilt and resentment over the choices they feel they should have had but didn't - the nagging doubt that we should be providing more, either emotionally or financially. Round and round we go, constantly striving to do better and tying ourselves up in knots.

There are simple, albeit naive, solutions. Cheaper housing and childcare would make staying at home or working a genuine choice rather than a necessity, as would a working culture that is not defined by the hours you work but by the quality of the work that you do - enabling mothers and fathers to do their bit at home and away.

Maybe this is feminism's next task: to redefine how society views the role of caring, and to challenge the notion that ‘progress’ is always moving in the same direction. A stage on from 'women competing in a man's world' would be to elevate caring to a level at which it can also be seen as successful - equal to the providing bit. Then we could, perhaps, put down our defensiveness, and acknowledge that we're all just doing our best with the circumstances we have - and that, most of the time, that's good enough.

We may never see the day when all we're competing over is who raises the most emotionally stable and contented children - but it's a nice thought.

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scottishmummy · 28/02/2014 22:00

Now you're simply guessing and supposing,you have no idea what obstacles we've encountered

Sillylass79 · 28/02/2014 22:11

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TheHoneyBadger · 28/02/2014 22:11

my sister had wonderful concrete, self assured plans and a conviction that only people who didn't have plans or who weren't 'good girls' had life blow up on them. then reality hit and the biggest, longest temper tantrum ensued.

if your husband fucked off tomorrow your plans would need rethinking. if your child developed a massively debilitating disease tomorrow - again big rethink.

scottishmummy · 28/02/2014 22:14

Yet again silly,you've erroneously paraphrased me.you seem a bit stuck

Sillylass79 · 28/02/2014 22:23

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scottishmummy · 28/02/2014 22:25

Feel free,remember to include bile.you like that one

morethanpotatoprints · 28/02/2014 22:26

I don't think plans always work.
I know if we ever plan things they don't always go as expected.
We therefore decided not to make huge plans and things run smoothly. Maybe its taking the expectancy and time frame away.
Even the best made plans will need revising and assessing when new variables enter the equation.
I agree with TheHoneyBadger

Sillylass79 · 28/02/2014 22:30

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scottishmummy · 28/02/2014 22:31

And conversely a plan can add order and can work.we learn who we are under adversity

morethanpotatoprints · 28/02/2014 22:31

Maggie

I had forgotten about the NHS, but as dd is thankfully not staying in hospital atm , my dc isn't institutionalised.
sorry to wait so long before responding, went away for a while.

scottishmummy · 28/02/2014 22:32

Silly,I have no contention with you. If you want to tell me how it is,pile in

maggiemight · 28/02/2014 22:35

ballet, brownies, guides, etc all institutions.

TeamWill · 28/02/2014 22:35

My DH has a life limiting illness.
We had plans in place should something like this happen as we both work with people who are experiencing massive changes (through illness or accident) in their lives.
It is helpful to have plans in this type of circumstance and actually is quite freeing to know we will not have to worry financially should the worst happen.

morethanpotatoprints · 28/02/2014 22:37

Maggie

Yes, none of those atm.
I'm not saying never though, just not for now.

scottishmummy · 28/02/2014 22:37

How's dh now team?best wishes at a hard time
I agree plans can add an order and that structure is a support

TeamWill · 28/02/2014 22:40

Hes fine thanks sm still working Grin

LumpySofa · 28/02/2014 23:52

Because our society as it now stands sets no store, no intrinsic value whatsoever by such things as the family and motherhood - various kinds of supposedly progressive (and in fact empty and meaningless) efforts have led us to the point where any old day job, and frankly any person who has sex with dad once in a while, is equated with mummy and/or mothering as if the relationship and the love are just... nothing special at all.

Personally, I preferred it when we venerated motherhood as particular, and special, and natural, and an order of relationship to which no other was equal.

Offred · 01/03/2014 00:44

I'm not opposed to institutions Confused

Did you actually read any of my posts?

Offred · 01/03/2014 00:46

And I don't think it is just about motherhood.

Women are criticised for having children, for not having children, for 'putting' children in childcare, for not 'putting' children in childcare. Men are regarded with suspicion for doing 'women's work'...

It is about women's roles and much as scottishmummy would like to think she is independent on her own terms she is, like the rest of us, only able to achieve independence because the father of her children has allowed it.

Offred · 01/03/2014 00:50

I'm a lone parent too btw. I'm not equating women with wives. I'm saying mothers have children with a father and whether the father remains in the household or not is less important to equality than the concessions the father makes to allow the mother to work. In the place of the father the state can step in but neither the father not the state is expected to believe in equality for women, in the current society.

WidowWadman · 01/03/2014 08:37

Offred "It is about women's roles and much as scottishmummy would like to think she is independent on her own terms she is, like the rest of us, only able to achieve independence because the father of her children has allowed it."

What a silly thing to say - as long as you regard the father as someone who can "allow" the mother to do whatever the fuck she likes rater than an equalpartner with who you make joint decisions about thing that affect everyone, you'll never get away from the 1950s mindset.

TheHoneyBadger · 01/03/2014 08:43

i have to agree that's codswallop actually. the 'father of my child' isn't in the picture at all - does that mean i'm doomed to have no independence?

RonaldMcDonald · 01/03/2014 09:05

Can I also throw in that my children were better cared for in their nursery setting.
They had more fun, did many more activities, had little friends and were treated uniformly with kindness and patience

It was not like this when I was forced to be at home with them for any prolonged period

Offred · 01/03/2014 09:10

No, it doesn't. That's where the state steps in with lone parents. The state doesn't help a lot of parents who are still together. That's partly why I split with my h. I didn't understand how much men were the gatekeepers until I was married.

You misunderstand my meaning.

It isn't that I have a 1950s attitude, it is that whilst a woman is producing a child and incapacitated the father of that child determines for himself how involved he is going to be. If you happen to be with a man who lives and breathes equality then you are going to be able to achieve independence and equality. If you happen to be with one who doesn't it is very easy for him to run away back to work, to refuse to make concessions that allow you to maintain a career etc. That's why it's the father and his attitude to equality that determines things in reality. Still.

When this happened to me I had to leave him to be able to determine my own career.

It's not an acceptable way to run a society but because women bear the child and men are not required to be involved with that at any level except by choice and perhaps societal pressure, their gender has the ultimate say in the family that results even where an individual man who believes in respect and equality has had equal discussions.

DYSWIM?

Offred · 01/03/2014 09:14

The state steps in to provide very limited support anyway. As a lone parent and student I've found I'm entitled to some money which helps with my fees but I'm not entitled to help with childcare and this worries me because I'll still be dependent on whether my xh feels like caring for the children if I have to do work experience etc.

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