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Guest post: Why is society so ambivalent about stay-at-home mums?

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KateMumsnet · 26/02/2014 11:27

Historically women (and children) have always worked. The poor would either take their children to work with them, or leave them with extended families. At the other end of the scale, rich women would leave their children in the care of a nanny while they managed household staff and organised events - long before these activities became viable career choices.

What's changed is that there is now an expectation - or illusion - of choice in the matter. When I was growing up, we had a female prime minister, and Alexis Carrington was the most famous woman on TV. We were told that we could have it all – glittering career, thriving children and a happy marriage.

It was a lie. As adults, we discover that economic necessity, the needs of children and our own aspirations all pull us in different directions. Rather than 'having it all', we choose our path and passionately defend our decisions against the different choices, opinions and expectations of others. Someone, somewhere will always disagree.

Obviously, there's a tension for those who would love to make a different choice, but can't. For some, working just isn't worth it. Salaries can't compete with the crippling cost of formal childcare, and for many of us, family aren't on hand to help. For others, rocketing property prices and rents mean that often both parents must work to afford the roof over their heads and an acceptable standard of living. With the prospect of meagre pensions, tuition fees, care homes and future property prices, there's a strong chance my children might, at 25, wish I'd traded those extra games of Scrabble for a decent deposit on a flat.

Over the past eight years I've worked part-time, freelanced, stayed at home and run my own business. I gave up my “glittering” corporate TV career and moved out of London, back to the village I grew up in, after the birth of son number 2. Not one of those solutions has been perfect, none of them have been easy and I have beaten myself up over each and every decision.

But the decision to stay at home was the one that I struggled with most. Like squabbling siblings, what I wanted for my children, my own identity and my relationship constantly clashed. Enduring stereotypes are of either the dull but worthy women, who were relieved that finally nothing more was expected of them in terms of their career - or the wealthy, well-groomed types who rule the PTA with an iron fist. The woman who actively chooses to stay at home seems to stir a wealth of confused emotions in all of us.

And as a feminist, I couldn't help feeling that I was letting the side down. By the time I had children I was successful, financially independent and viewed my marriage as a partnership of equals. The notion that I could give it all up in favour of singing ‘the wheels on the bus’ and sorting the laundry seemed extraordinary. I was uncomfortable with being financially dependent on my husband and I didn't like what it did to our relationship (there was an argument about aubergines I shan't forget). I had grown up with my mother laying out my father's clothes in the morning, but had expected something different for myself: this was not what feminism had fought for; this was not my place. How could I bring my sons up to respect women and treat them as equals if I wasn't an equal partner in my own house?

And yet, I wanted to be at home with my children. I wanted to be the one that cuddled them, read them stories and watched them grow. I wanted to make them toast when they came home from school. I felt my children needed me - and for many women, no job is more important.

And what about the state's position on all this? It seems to be ambivalent at best; fundamentally, it views you in terms of economic worth. We have an ageing population and we need people of working age to pay for them. The fact that children need nurturing, educating, and caring for is overlooked. That future generation of voters is not important right now. Politicians might pay lip service to the value of carers, but the welfare system reveals the truth – they are a burden; they've made a ‘lifestyle choice’ and they aren't ‘pulling their weight’.

The government's answer is to institutionalise childcare; to lengthen school days and cut holidays. They seem to be arguing simultaneously that looking after children is worthless, and yet too important to be left to mere parents. This benefits no one, except employers who no longer have the hassle of negotiating flexibility. It certainly doesn't benefit children or families.

The result is that we all feel confused and a little resentful. Working women will label stay at home mothers as ‘lazy’ or ‘lucky’, and stay at home mothers will accuse working mothers of being ‘selfish’. Both sides feel guilt and resentment over the choices they feel they should have had but didn't - the nagging doubt that we should be providing more, either emotionally or financially. Round and round we go, constantly striving to do better and tying ourselves up in knots.

There are simple, albeit naive, solutions. Cheaper housing and childcare would make staying at home or working a genuine choice rather than a necessity, as would a working culture that is not defined by the hours you work but by the quality of the work that you do - enabling mothers and fathers to do their bit at home and away.

Maybe this is feminism's next task: to redefine how society views the role of caring, and to challenge the notion that ‘progress’ is always moving in the same direction. A stage on from 'women competing in a man's world' would be to elevate caring to a level at which it can also be seen as successful - equal to the providing bit. Then we could, perhaps, put down our defensiveness, and acknowledge that we're all just doing our best with the circumstances we have - and that, most of the time, that's good enough.

We may never see the day when all we're competing over is who raises the most emotionally stable and contented children - but it's a nice thought.

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scottishmummy · 28/02/2014 21:00

It would be interesting discuss wth the author,seeing it's her mc angst

TheHoneyBadger · 28/02/2014 21:01

also a kick in the teeth to women who'd love to stay at home with their 5 year olds but are being sent on workfare i should imagine teamwill.

this farce of choice applies to such a teeny (but very vocal) demographic.

Bonsoir · 28/02/2014 21:01

TheHoneyBadger - being married is not the same state as living together. Thinking that the two is one heteronormative state is mere prejudice.

TheHoneyBadger · 28/02/2014 21:01

her mc married, high earning partner angst at that scottish. poor pet.

morethanpotatoprints · 28/02/2014 21:02

HoneyBadger

I'm not sure I understand your post tbh. I am married and have been for 22 years, but I'm not defined as a wife. I love my dh and I love my dc they are all my family.
Our decision to have a sahp had nothing to do with us being married. Of course it would have been different if I was a sp, but I'm sure my views would be the same.
I believe that sp's should have the same choices available to them, I'm sure there are cases where there aren't and I sympathise.

scottishmummy · 28/02/2014 21:03

I simply couldn't be with a man who thought his career more important than mine
No idea why any woman would indulge such sentiments

morethanpotatoprints · 28/02/2014 21:03

I'm not sure my views wouldn't be the same.

TheHoneyBadger · 28/02/2014 21:04

no bonsoir talking about motherhood and choices as though it only existed in a man and woman living together and sharing financial responsibility is prejudiced. one in four families don't have a man in the household. one in four is quite significant don't you think?

TheHoneyBadger · 28/02/2014 21:05

morethan you miss the point. single parents is where the rights are being battered away (with knock on effects to those not single and obviously massive effects to those who will find themselves single ((50% divorce rate))) ). to talk about this as if it was a 'wife' centred issue misses the point.

scottishmummy · 28/02/2014 21:06

The blog is indulgent me-me mc angst about dispensing the buttery toast to the children
And it quickly slid into conspiracy theory that The government's answer is to institutionalise childcare

TheHoneyBadger · 28/02/2014 21:08

scottish i would imagine some women indulge such sentiments because they are terrified of ending up on the other side of the fence as a single parent with less of their choicy choices. the more you castigate this side of the fence and eradicate it's rights the more women WILL put up, shut up and stay put in on the other side even when it's abusive outright or just plain day to day degrading.

that's rather the point imo but i seem to be entirely unclear.

TheHoneyBadger · 28/02/2014 21:09

(incidentally it's fine over this side - if you're putting up with shite and abuse or just plain misery and humiliation on the safe side please do jump over - no one dies and there are worse things than being a bit less financially stable in life)

Bonsoir · 28/02/2014 21:09

TheHoneyBadger - if 3/4 families do have a man in the household, that doesn't mean all those households are the same - anymore than the 1/4 households where there is no man are all the same.

Bonsoir · 28/02/2014 21:11

I simply couldn't be with a man who thought his career more important than mine.

If your career is the most important facet of your identity, perhaps. But many people have richer personalities than just jobs.

scottishmummy · 28/02/2014 21:11

You're all over the shop with accusatory posts
I have not singled handedly eradicated anyone's rights
Happy to discuss,but your tone is somewhat histrionic

TeamWill · 28/02/2014 21:12

honeybadger Im not some rich, high flying bitch ( hate that word) who " has it all" ,employs minions and is smugly looking down on others.

Im a grafter who works in healthcare, the person who is there for your family at weekends, nights, the early hours if you have an accident or need care.
I am there for your family if you need me because my DH is there for me .

TheHoneyBadger · 28/02/2014 21:12

absolutely it doesn't bonsoir. ergo even within the 3/4 the choicy choicy navel gazing sah v woh is a teeny minority. some of that 3/4 will be women being abused, miserable and desperate to get out but aware they count for shit as they are 'just' a mum or don't know how they'd manage on one salary etc. hence my point that the key of women's rights is to ensure women and children are ok 'even' where there is not a man present.

scottishmummy · 28/02/2014 21:13

I a not a lesser partner to a man,he's not more important. We are equally significant

morethanpotatoprints · 28/02/2014 21:13

TheHoneyBadger

I see what you mean now.
I wasn't missing the point, just didn't know what you meant.
My friend is going through all this work fare stuff atm. Her dds bio dad doesn't pay a penny towards her and she has always been a sahp and has an illness that prevents work.
She is so worried about losing her benefits and some idiots claiming she is able to work, when she clearly isn't.
She really is up against it atm and it is heart breaking to see.

TheHoneyBadger · 28/02/2014 21:14

and if your dh is no longer there for you teamwill what impact do you see that having?

morethanpotatoprints · 28/02/2014 21:15

ScottishMummy

Halleluiah - that I can agree with.

scottishmummy · 28/02/2014 21:15

Please,no creepy ingratiation

TheHoneyBadger · 28/02/2014 21:17

exactly morethan - this is my point really - that quibbling about women's rights and respect levels 'within' heteronormative set ups and thinking it's all about them misses the actual reality that these changes are set up to target the likes of your friend and any impact on the status of other women is incidental.

it is also my point that any woman on here could find herself in the position of your friend.

it's also my point that the scarier the position of the likes of your friend the less real power women will have within any set up because they will have no way out. stay with the abusive husband or go into your friends situation? it impacts on all women how single women are treated.

georgesdino · 28/02/2014 21:18

Fine if people want to do it, but its not a life I would wish for me or my dds. I want thrm to achieve, and still be a person not just 'mum'.

When we had to write about our role model in year 10 I wrote about my mum and one of my friends could not think of who to write about. I said why not write about your mum and she said 'she doesnt do anything she just stays at home and cooks my dad dinner and cleans' It always stuck with me and its one of the reasons I am always striving to achieve new things

TheHoneyBadger · 28/02/2014 21:19

christ george i fear for your imagination if the only realm of 'achieving' you can think of is paid labour.