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Gifted and talented

Talk to other parents about parenting a gifted child on this forum.

I'm interested - what is deemed G&T in your school

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activate · 10/07/2010 11:18

so age / year group and Literacy and Maths levels please

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activate · 10/07/2010 11:18

by levels I mean SATs as that will be the only constant I suppose

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FingonTheValiant · 10/07/2010 11:33

According to G&T co-ordinator dh, in his school: theoretically, the teachers nominate the students that they think are gifted in their subjects, but there can't be more than 10% in any one subject, and the students have to be gifted in either English, Maths or Science plus one other subject at least; and talented is performance and art - so music, drama, sport etc any one aspect. You don't have to be both G and T.

Plus they cross-reference with the CAT scores - 128 or more in any battery is the 5th percentile, or 120 or more in two batteries.

They don't use SATs levels.

But there's nothing clear cut, and it should be something like 5-10% of the school population is registered as G&T, regardless of whether the school is super-selective or underperfoming. So a school could have a huge number of students that meet the CAT scores criteria, but they can only register the top 5-10%. Alternatively, they might have no students that meet the requirements, but they still have to register 5-10%.

Having a gifted and talented register of 5-10% of total school population is a legal requirement for secondary schools.

However, that was before change of government, so who knows how long it will last.

brachy · 10/07/2010 21:07

DD Reception. Level 3 maths, level 3 reading comprehension. Not on G&T list, but they do make some great accommodations for her. No complaints about not being on a list since her academic side is being met.

ragged · 15/07/2010 11:51

Haven't a clue, never asked (2 DC were on the register, may or may not still be, I've no idea ). Doesn't mean anything anyway.

minimathsmouse · 18/07/2010 22:22

State school, west sussex, all I know is that a level 4A at end of year 3 would be considered gifted in maths.

DadAtLarge · 20/08/2010 17:31

I've advised various schools on G&T implementation.

Schools are left too much discretion on the selection. Your school should have provided you with a doc covering this (among other things). If they haven't then you can ask them to explain how they cater for children of higher ability.

Some schools choose the top 10% in the subject as they are meant to do, those that don't like catering for G&T too much set stricter criteria - such as working at a level 2 years higher than peers - and some just put the odd child on so they can tick a box.

Most schools are pathetic at meeting their responsibilities under the G&T program.

Under the FOI Act you can ask the school to provide the numbers in each year/subject who are on the G&T list. They can't provide names, but they can provide numbers. It's illegal for them to be not maintaining a proper G&T register and program.

I got involved with G&T when my DS was a L5 in maths in Y2 and didn't get put on the G&T register, kept getting horrendously boring work in class, and was severely unhappy at school. This is a school that has had an OFSTED "outstanding" for several years (though, admittedly, OFSTED has nothing to do with G&T - it's not on their list of things to inspect).

Have been busy but I've written extensively in here about G&T in my previous posts - and about the recent "national challenge" changes to the program - if you care to search for them.

MmeRedWhiteandBlueberry · 20/08/2010 17:39

We use PIPS, MidYIS, and YeLLIS scores for giftedness, and judgement for talent.

Lancelottie · 21/08/2010 11:56

Somewhat to our surprise, in DS2's secondary school any child arriving with Grade 4 music is counted as 'talented' at music -- which is great for DS, as he gets extra trips, a lunchtime club and automatic membership of school bands. I wouldn't call him 'gifted' in any sense, though.

DD (age 7) has already worked out which grades she'll need to do on what timetable to get the same privileges. I think that makes her, umm, calculating rather than gifted, but suspect she'll go far!

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