At what age are children in the UK identified as G&T?

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And what/where/why/how is this register I hear of?

And how would one decide if a child is gifted/talented?

Thank you!

I dont know but would be interested to know too.

I think they can be put onto the gifted and talented register from when they start school. Remember it is in relation to the other pupils in the class so what could be gifted and talented in one school might not be for another (and vice versa).

A teacher would either suggest it, or if you felt that their needs weren't being met in one or more areas, you could suggest it.

My DS in Year 1 has just been put onto the G&T register for maths - he is going to be doing some extra activities with older children. But he could just as well do those things without being on the G&T register - I don't think it is really that important. Not sure if any extra funding is available.

So, does every school have a G&T list? And do the kids on the list get opportunities which other kids do not get?

I don't care about the list itself. But, I am interested in the list if being on it opens doors which would otherwise remain firmly shut.

starlight Are you messing about? Because if you are, you aren't doing it very well - children can join the library from birth. Both my DDs had library cards before they were 6 weeks old. DP had one before he was born (that was in the 70's though, and his mum was the children's librarian). Plus it is quite possible (and probably quite common) to be G+T and SEN.

I think it means the teacher has to fill in a special form to say what extra things they are providing.

I've just found out at parents evening that my DS now has separate lessons with three other children for literacy as he has been identified as one of the most able in his year. He is not on a G&T register as far as I know.

That's really odd! Why on earth would you wait 12 months to start with books? Whereabouts do you live? My children have had tickets for Lancashire, Gateshead, Sunderland and Newcastle libraries with no problem at any. You do get a joining form in your bookstart pack, but I always thought that was to mop up any stragglers.

I think that the top percentage thing may be right. In our school one lad really stood out and was working with year (mixed class therefore two year groups) above. His parents thought he wasnt being encouraged enough due to his g&t status. He moved to another school a little distance away. He is now challenged but to their shock, average for that school and working within his own year group. It has been a bit of a shock for us all, as it makes you wonder why there is such a difference in levels of work between the two schools.

I thought the Gifted and Talented scheme was due to be axed.

SGM is speaking much sense.
I've been teaching a loooong time and have met four gifted children in more than two decades.
G & T in schools now is just the top 10%, a rule set by the government.

Why does the government want a list of the top 10% of state pupils? Is there also a list of the bottom 10%?

Hi, just thought I'd post to back up StewieGriffins Mom (I'm Senco in school, also covering Gand T). It's an abbitary list of the top 10% of a class/ school. For the purpose of the list we note down the top 3 in a class of thirty. As she said it's pointless really, I have a class where 4 children are GT (unusual!) and the extreme where no child to be honest is GT. Add into the mix that 'Gifted' and 'Talented' are two distinct concepts. A child may be one, but not the other. There's no universal defintion but in plain english 'Gifted' normally means highly achieving academically whilst 'talented' is often used to refer to a special apptitude for creative/artistic activities. A child could be a talented musician, or gifted working high above their age range for Maths. Also a child can even be gifted and SEN (e.g. high fuctioning autistic or Dyslexic but highly able). There's a lot of disagreement as to what G and T means, e.g. to be Gifted must a child be gifted in a number of areas, or could a Numeric child with delayed reading be gifted?
In reality any decent school runs activities as and when appropriate and simply has a list for OFSTED to look at! To be honest it's rare in my experience (or myabe in my area...) to meet a truely gifted child, most are simply the most able in their cohort but not operating significantly above age related expectations so as to normally need a higher level of work, extension activities or adapted work is often enough.

I've NEVER heard of such a silly rule at a library! Every area I've been in allows books from birth (and why not??)

That turned into a long post...it's just something I feel strongly about. Another governemnt initiative with meaningless targets labelling children at a ridiculously young as very able or not! The child that can't read upon starting school can easily shoot to the top of the class at the end of primary, and vice versa.

The library thing is bonkers.

In Beds and Herts you can have a library card as soon as you want (within a few weeks for DD. We have library cards from both counties as we're on the border between them).

The silly thing is Riven even if your under one IS highly GT he's still not going to be reading them himself is he? Mad. I'd write a letter of complaint if I hit that obstical.

I am in Yorkshire and I am pretty sure you can join the library from birth.

My MIL is a qualified librarian who used to be children's librarian for Gateshead and she has not heard of an age restriction for a public library for at least 20 years. I think somebody must have got the wrong end of the stick.

This is from the info the school gave me..
the June 2009 Education White paper requires all schools to write to parents or carer of children who have been placed on the schools gifted and talented register to inform them of the provision that is being made for you child
It then says
Children can be placed on the G&T register for
working significantly above the national expectation for their age group and above the level of others in their class in an academic subject
They have a particular talent in art/sport/music
they have been identified as having high potential but are at risk from underachieving..
It then goes on to say what provision
how many extra lessons, who with etc..