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Is this very bright or more? sorry its long!!

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GivemeBaileysDailyandImhappy · 01/01/2009 19:41

Thanks in advance to anyone who takes time to give an opinion.
I have written about my dd to clarify what she can do at 2.11yrs so I can remember once she grows up and so I don't look back with rose tinted glasses iyswim.
She seems to know much more than children she goes to nursery with of the same age.
Eliza aged 2.11 years - Development.

Speech and language

Eliza speaks fluently using link words in sentences such as and, because, incase etc. She speaks in sentences of up to 15 words such as ?I need to take my baby upstairs to bed because she is getting very tired.? Eliza now rarely mixes past , present and future tense verbs. She is articulate and descriptive about objects she sees around her and regularly comments on their size, shape, colour, texture and general appearance. An example of this would be while in the car she spent time looking at houses saying ?that?s a big house, bigger than our house and its pink!? Another example is that she noticed that her scooter was different from her friends because it has 2 wheels whereas hers has 3 and also notices and vocalises similarities such as both scooters are pink. She uses words in context and shows a good sense of humour. An example of this was when she was asked by her Grandma what Santa was bringing her, she replied ?a scooter?, when asked what Santa was bringing Lucy she laughed and replied ?hair!? She is able to verbalise problem solving plans. An example of this was when she noticed the telephone was missing from its charger saying ?oh no, where?s the telephone gone, we might have left it at Tims?, to which her Dad replied ?and we won?t be able to telephone him to tell him to bring it back!?. Eliza said ?noo? with emphasis, but then without prompting thought of the solution and said ?we will have to use your phone.? meaning mobile phone. Eliza has the understanding to know that some words have the same meaning such as loads, lots, tons, many and will use them interchangeably while speaking. She understands that certain words rhyme such as frog, log, dog and will regularly change sentences to be funny i.e. instead of saying who are you? She will say ?poo par poo?? while laughing. She is able to sing nursery rhymes most of the way through and remembers the plot to all her story books and DVDs, asking to skip to specific favourite bits of the story or film.

Understanding

Eliza has excellent understanding and carries out tasks when asked and uses her initiative whenever she can. She has a grasp of how co-operation can help situations. She often puts crockery, cutlery, dirty washing into appropriate places and rarely needs reminding to put rubbish into the bin. She understands and applies advice to all situations, such as being aware of her sister in relation to leaving small toy parts within her reach, shutting stair gates after her if she goes through them. If she sees Lucy with anything small she removes it from her or tells me. She is also mindful of Lucy getting hold of toys with sharp edges and that they could cut her and that small objects could choke her. Eliza also understands her physical limits and will ask to go to bed if she feels tired, says when she is hungry, thirsty and is able to vocalise feelings such as sadness, happiness, anger, feeling unwell and why. She understands connections between people, places, events and will talk about past events either by saying ?when I was a little girl? which is a long way in the past or ?yesterday? which is her recent past. She understands that circumstances change. An example being that we went to Honeybrook farm and it was closed. I explained this to her and she was happy enough with the explanation and that we were going somewhere else instead. On the way home she said ?Honeybrook might be open now.? We have been to places in the past that weren?t open because we were too early so she had made that connection and assumed it might open later. Eliza also understands the connections of family for example that her uncle Lee is my brother, her aunty Kerry is her dads sister and that her Grandma is my mum etc. Eliza rarely needs telling anything more than once for it to be understood and later applied to another situation.

Creativity and imagination

Eliza is able to colour and paint using the tripod grip to hold pencils, pens and paint brushes. She draws using precise movement and can identify certain marks she makes such as ?oh? ?curly c? , ?l? and ?x?. Eliza will say what she is drawing. Eliza understands how to use scissors and is able to cut across a page as opposed to lots of individual cuts and is learning how to cut out. She knows that she has to wash her paint brush between colours if she doesn?t want them to mix and painted a pot piggy bank, the only assistance being to turn the pig to reach unpainted areas. She concentrated on this task for 30 mins until every bit was painted and took great care not to overlap the different coloured paints. She is able to make pictures with fuzzy felts that have significance and can describe what is happening in the picture. Her imagination is mainly with her dolls and playing mum at the moment, this includes breast feeding her and changing sides! She has now moved on to bottle feeding her since I stopped breast feeding 3mths ago. She often parks her pram in the kitchen saying ?baby is asleep? and shushes me if I go into the kitchen incase I wake her up saying ?Be quiet, don?t wake her up!? in hushed tones. Eliza also enjoys music and pretends to play the mouth organ, recorder, piano and tambourines. She also enjoys singing into her microphone. Eliza enjoys dressing up and acts according to her costume I.e. if she is dressed as a nurse she gets out her Drs bag to go with it and pretends to take my temperature, listen to my heart etc and asks where I hurt. She then pretends to give me medicine, saying I am hot.
She is able to stick and glue using the appropriate amount of glue and choosing her pieces to stick carefully. She also sticks logically for example when making a photo frame at halloween she only stuck pieces to the edge of the frame on the card and then decided with logic that sticking inside would not make a difference to being able to put the photo inside and began sticking inside. She is able to peel tiny stickers, stick them the right way up and not overlap them. She is also able to put hamma beads onto the boards although she doesn?t have enough interest in these yet to concentrate for long, maybe 10-15mins at most.

Cognition and Problem Solving/Maths

Eliza can rote count to 15. She understands that if an object is added or taken away that the number will be different and is able to recount objects to see how many are left. I.e if she had 5 grapes and I asked her to hide 2 and then asked how many where left she would recount and tell me 3. She knows that she needs to count objects only once and I am in the process of teaching her to put her finger on each or move them to the side so she knows they have been counted. Eliza will often see a car or something and comment on the colour and then see another of the same colour saying ?that?s 2 blue cars? etc. She is starting to recognise some numbers and enjoys doing puzzles with numbers on them. Since she knows her colours well and is developing her matching skills with jigsaws she now understands to look for pieces with colours that match and shapes/shades that match. She knows basic shapes such as oval, circle, square, triangle, diamond, star, rectangle and recognises shapes in every day objects. For example she commented that the TV was a rectangle, she wanted a triangle shaped shortbread biscuit or a round one. Since becoming interested in jigsaws in the past few months her problem solving has improved further and she can now complete 30 piece puzzles with minimal imput. She uses the picture on the box to look for which piece goes where. She was able to recognise a car identical to my friends by its shape and shade of colour, even though it was completely out of context and I hadn?t noticed until she pointed it out! Eliza has been practicing taking turns at games such as the young version of kerplunk involving taking leaves on sticks from a container and trying not to let the bees fall, after the 2nd game she understood the rules and took turns with some prompting to not jump ahead. Eliza also enjoys making ?necklaces? from plastic shapes threaded onto shoe laces.

Physical ability

Eliza is able to run, jump, hop, scoot, trampoline, swim with just a float suit and is fearless in water. She can climb stairs and descend stairs without holding on and can carry multiple things up and down them. She can climb all levels at soft play and is happy to go to the top level.
During awake time Eliza is fully toilet trained, however she shows no sign of becoming dry at night time and pullups are usually wet in the morning. She does not pass stools during her sleep though.
Eliza is able to dress herself 85%, she is able to put on knickers, skirts, socks, top and some dresses but needs assistance with buttons, belts and laces. She is able to put on shoes, trainers and wellies. She is able to undress herself with the exception of getting her second arm out of her sleeve and undoing buttons and belts. She is sometimes able to put on her coat and at other times struggles.
She is able to cut with a knife when prompted and eats well with a spoon and fork rarely spilling any. However, since the introduction of finger foods for her sister she leans towards the lazy option of using her fingers to copy her.

Social ability

Eliza mixes well with other children and prefers the company of older children. She enjoys playing hide and seek and understands how to hide without being seen I.e. in the wardrobe, under her bed etc. She enjoys playing games with us and will ask to play whatever she wants to do. If what she wants is accessible she will take the initiative to go and get it out.
Eliza has been bad tempered for the last few months and prone to tantrums and unexpected outbursts. This has been brought about by the arrival of her sister and possibly by the need for more stimulation, as I feel she has been deprived of lots of my time and interaction since the birth of her sister. I believe she has become bored of her toys and appears to be behaving better since getting puzzles to do for Christmas. She now has things to occupy her that require thought, which have been lacking. I feel her behaviour will improve more when she starts pre-school in January where she will be stretched more mentally and socially. She still asks after children who I minded who left in February and says she misses them. She tells us she loves us. Her behaviour at nursery is impeccable according to her keyworker.

Below is a framework from a five year old expectation development chart. I have deleted things that Eliza cannot do and left the things she is capable of now at 2.11 years.

SOCIAL AND EMOTIONAL DEVELOPMENT
invents games with simple rules
organizes other children and toys for pretend play
can take turns and share, but doesn't always want to
expresses anger and jealousy physically
carries on conversations with other children and adults
uses "bathroom words" to get attention , uses poo lots to try to shock.
sometimes can be very bossy
likes to try new things and take risks
likes to make own decisions
notices when another child is angry or sad - more sensitive to feelings of others
prefers company of 1 or 2 children at a time.
likes to feel grown up; boasts about self to younger, less capable children, constantly tells her sister she can?t do things as she is too little or too young.
good understanding of right and wrong
plays contentedly and independently without constant supervision
Will watch a film from start to finish commenting on what is happening and the feelings of the characters such as happy, sad, scared etc.
takes turns and shares (sometimes)
understands and respects rules - often asks permission . will ask to play or get something out if it involves mess such as painting or drawing and cutting.
understands and enjoys both giving and receiving
enjoys collecting things , leaflets.
sometimes needs to get away and be alone , often goes to play upstairs alone.
can understand relationships among people and similarities and differences in other families . Understands that her friend now has a sister like she does and talks about how her friend will help her mummy with her sister
seeks adult approval
sometimes critical of other children and embarrassed by own mistakes , says ?I?m silly? when she makes mistakes.
has a good sense of humor, and enjoys sharing jokes and laughter with adults
PHYSICAL DEVELOPMENT
able to dress self with little assistance
Attempts to skip
throws ball overhead
catches bounced balls, inconsistently though. Often drops them.
Now has a balance bike but is unsure as it is new, rides on her scooter
balances on either foot for 5-10 seconds
uses a fork well and is learning to use a knife
cuts on a straight line with scissors
left or right hand dominance is established , right hand dominant.
walks down stairs, alternating feet without using a handrail
jumps over low objects
can run, gallop, and attempt to forward roll
Can run on tiptoe
Attempts to perform dance steps
Can copy some shapes and letters
INTELLECTUAL DEVELOPMENT
understands about 13,000 words
uses 5-15 words in a sentence
likes to argue and reason; use words like "because"
knows most colours including peach, cream, turquiose, gold, silver, grey
able to memorize address but only the town where she lives.
understands that stories have a beginning, middle, and end
able to remember stories and repeat them
understands that books are read from left to right, top to bottom
enjoys jokes and being silly talking in made up words
draws pictures that represent animals, people, and objects, however, they don?t look like the objects represented
can place objects in order from shortest to tallest
can understand and use comparative terms like big, bigger, or biggest
sorts objects by size
identifies some letters of the alphabet and a few numbers (if taught)
understands "more," "less," and "same"
counts up to 10 objects
recognizes categories ("These are all animals; these are all toys.")
understands before and after, above, and below
has good attention span and can concentrate well , up to 30 minutes on a task she enjoys.
interested in cause and effect
can understand time concepts like yesterday, today, and tomorrow as well as morning, afternoon and night time.

Eliza is also able to use hypothetical thinking and suggest what might happen in a theoretical situation. If you say for example ?what would happen if the car drove on our side of the road in the opposite direction and not on the other side of the road?? she would answer with ?we would crash and we would get hurt/would die?. If you asked her ?what would happen if we didn?t strap lucy into the pram?? she would answer ?she would fall out.? Sometimes she will say ?I don?t know? and then go and think about it and later give an answer.

If you got this far many thanks.

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GivemeBaileysDailyandImhappy · 01/01/2009 21:40

Herbietree please read some of the later posts and more will become clear.

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GivemeBaileysDailyandImhappy · 01/01/2009 21:40

sorry herbietea

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lijaco · 01/01/2009 21:44

sorry givemebaileys I know what you mean. I jump in at the deep end sometimes as you may have noticed! Thanks for your comment about my ds.

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Dragonbrandybutter · 01/01/2009 21:49

why not keep a note of the funny things that she's done or said as a record for the future? would make much better reading.

GivemeBaileysDailyandImhappy · 01/01/2009 21:57

herbie you obviously haven't read all the thread because if you look back I have pointed out that I recap once a year! I do this in 1 evening of reflection when she is asleep. I certainly don't make an example of her. She is as she is. I couldn't fit more into my week, I am a CM and have to write about mindees daily so observing what my dd can or can't do from memory is no problem to me.

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GivemeBaileysDailyandImhappy · 01/01/2009 21:59

Dragon that would take daily writing

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GivemeBaileysDailyandImhappy · 01/01/2009 22:01

Herbie with the exception of stringing 10 words at 16mths (she was 23mths) your dc is/was no different from my dd.

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herbietea · 01/01/2009 22:06

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jabberwocky · 01/01/2009 22:10

tbh I didn't really read the OP - just too long! But as far as knowing for sure the soonest you can really have any formal testing done is age 4 and even then some of the tests do not have scoring below age 6. It is recommended that children get tested at ages 4 and 8 if they seem to be quite a bit above average.

Bear in mind that this is a two-edged sword. Gifted children are quite correctly also categorized as special needs. They can have emotional and social problems and it is a full-time job making sure they are properly challenged as well as having as normal a childhood as possible.

lisalisa · 01/01/2009 22:12

Hmmm - well I had 3 like that. the frist - now 12- is no brighter than other kids ,the 2nd is still in recpetion so difficult to tell but again, although super bright in pre-nursery - knew all numbers etc and how to count and subtract ( at age 2.8yrs) -she actually seems to be slowing down now and having to rethink sums etc. bit strange but as she is my 4th child I am relaxwed over it and trying more to counteract the precocious behavior that comes ith it. My 3rd child like this is just 3. He sounds a lot like Eliza - he can also recognise where we are and comes out with " Oh mummy we're on the way to school - but look , you've takena different road now". that to me is pretty outstanding and all agree that he is execptionally bright. However as I've seen my 1st 2 very bright kids amount really to average or just above I dont' give this assessment any weight whatsoever and just enjoy him as he is .

GivemeBaileysDailyandImhappy · 01/01/2009 22:15

OK I will rephrase, in the things you said he could do before 2 he is no different from my dd who also could do those before 2 with 1 exception. TBH it isn't the things you listed which make me feel dd is bright, more her abstract thinking, imagination, being able to think about hypothetical situations and initiative. Being able to reason. These can't be taught easily unlike physical learning like colours etc.

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GivePeasAChance · 01/01/2009 22:19

It is generally acknowledged that you can be taught reasoning and abstract thinking skills.

NotanOtter · 01/01/2009 22:19

i just find the documentation of a childs development to such a degree a bit wierd

i have no idea at all how many word my child of the same age has

i anticipate he will be bright in the academic sense as he has two well educated bright parents and 'bright' sibblings before him

I am much more concerned that he is a happy well rounded individual who is likeable and 'well liked'

I am keen that he should grow up to look back on a child hood filled with snuggles smiles songs and glitter

anything else is a bonus but i must say I think you are maybe a bit too 'focused'

i probably sound gooey

stillenacht · 01/01/2009 22:23

i agree notanotter

lou031205 · 01/01/2009 22:23

Give me Baileys Daily....

When I was 2 I was assessed because my expressive speech was hard to comprehend. I spoke in strings of sentences, but I couldn't be understood. There were concerns that I might have learning difficulties. I actually tested with the IQ of an 8 year old except that I couldn't tie my shoelaces.

It didn't do me well. I was always expected to achieve by teachers and peers, etc. I often got bored because I academically outstripped my class, even when in the lower year of a mixed class. Socially I was unable to function easily. I lost interest and almost bombed out my A-levels completely.

Don't place such importance on your daughter's skills. She is a little girl, tiny. Let her be a little girl. Delight in her quirks and funny take on the world that can only come from being 3.

My daughter is just 3 and has developmental delays. But she makes me chuckle when she puts her hand inside her grandad's shirt and says its a gruffalo, or smiles with glee when she runs soup through her fingers, or says "it's a cold day, Mummy".

I think that you would do well to write down memories of your daughter's personality - what makes you laugh, what does she enjoy that is really silly? Who is going to care that she could count to 15 at 2.11? She will soon be counting in the hundreds. Who is going to care that she knew what grey or silver was? But I bet she would care that she used to say pooey-looey at the top of her voice and thought she was being really naughty! Or that she loved to play pretend shops with you.

Chill out a bit. Your assessment was so intense it was a bit scary, tbh.

Hulababy · 01/01/2009 22:25

Your DD sounds lively, chatty and happy - DD was very similar. A few years on she is still a very articulate, chatty young girl. All sound svery normal - enjoy her!

GivemeBaileysDailyandImhappy · 01/01/2009 22:26

Thanks lisa and jabber, good thoughtful posts I don't want her tested as such, just interested.
I know that children have developmental spurts and know she isn't a genius or anything and it has been confirmed. I think I phrased the op badly and should perhaps of said I think dd is bright but is she?
As it is it looks like I think she is gifted but I don't. I think she is very bright. I have had problems with her behaviour before xmas for a few months, which has improved since she got more puzzles at xmas. This made me question if she was being stimulated enough iyswim.

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load · 01/01/2009 22:26

God was you bored. It must of taken you hours.
To clarify, my dd was like that too at a young age.
Her Great Grandmother died feb 1997 and dd was born Oct 1994, so she was 2 and 3 months.
DD is at a Grammar school now and in the top stream, and if we are going to be honest at the last time the school checked, she was in the top 1% of the year educationally wise for all children who were born during her school year.
It sounds impressive, but its not, she is just average, in a school were there are a good 15 in her year that FAR out strip her.

Without sounding precious, its good to keep a record, but let her be a baby.

nula · 01/01/2009 22:29

lou that was wise advice.

Your daughter sounds lovely.

I am scratching my head at why you would chose to analyse her development like that.

I would have neither the time nor slightest inclination

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load · 01/01/2009 22:33

oops, I meant to put, I remember dd being like that around the time of dear GGrandma dying.

load · 01/01/2009 22:36

I agree with Herbie,
I love my G&T daughter just as much as her brother who has SN

GivemeBaileysDailyandImhappy · 01/01/2009 22:37

I know I come across as focused but really its just habit from CM. Having to do EYFS means constant observing and writing so I am interested in development, however, I am more than aware of the need for a well socialised and likeable child, which luckily I have.
I am going to write down the funny things as well now because you are right, it will be funny to read when she has flown the nest I wanted to know about my development as a child because it interests me, my mum couldn't remember anything and couldn't remember if it was me or my brother who did what. I want to be able to tell them if they ask.

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simpson · 01/01/2009 22:38

I think you might be putting some of your perspective on your DD's development TBH.

If you went to a farm and it was closed then your DD asked if it was going to be open later, I don't think that is logical thinking TBH just a toddler thinking iyswim.

My DS will also says the same thing but I think its more due to the fact that he "wants" a shop/cafe etc to be open than any real understanding.

She does sound lovely though, but don't understand the need to assess everything.

Also, how do you have time?? My ds is 3.4 and my DD is 11mths and there is no way I could write that much about DS??

Not having a go BTW think it will be a lovely record to have when she is older. My new years resolution is to start writing a diary (again!!) to "capture" all the special moments iykwim.

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