hahaha the G and t "reader"(wtf???) is now way behind

[ImNotInterestedInYourKids]

1. being g and t for reading is odd

2. kdis mum went on adn on about it

3. kid now in year 5 and is still on level 10

hooray

Quite, haycee. Loads of kids are good readers, but they're not necessarily child prodigies.

DD1 is fabulous reader, always has been. DD2, on the other hand, is almost 10 and can barely read (despite her G&T tag - ha! Thus proving my point that it's easy enough to be in the top 10% if the rest of the class are less than average.)

And as for being G&T for being able to read well at 5 or 6

Nope, couldn't find the Schadenfreude song, but the rest is SO GOOD!

Agree with you, Hulababy. Ridiculous and pointless.

This is a state school target thingy? seriously?

gosh... I'm glad we were discriminated out of state sector into private school then. Where (it appears to me) we are like Lake Woebegone where 'all the children are above average' and the mother of the kid who really could read harry potter in reception mildly described her as able. Once.

and at 5 or 6 any extra resources that are needed as so easy to organise. A child can easily be given more complex books,m which the school will already have on site.

It isn't as if the able child is had to stretch at that point in their school life.

TBH, it isn't that hard for most of their school life, as long as the school carries out some form of setting, or has very small classes

My ds was labelled G&T in the states. I went to one meeting about it and ran away screaming from the uber competitive self absorption levels of the parents there. Don't know if it's the same here (frankly most days just glad he's not on crack) but back there and then it seemed far more about the parents than about the kids.

this has the song

"fuck you lady thats waht the stiars are for"

I daren't listen to it at work!

Completely fantastic. And any show which has a song entitled "Everyone's a little bit racist sometimes" gets my vote.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/1375/396541?stamp=070928114535

Clandestine - I have said the same (but less eloquently!) on a different thread.

I only discovered what G&T was on here the other week.

must admit- I think its a load of old shite and Im glad that its not something that has impacted on our lives and turned me into a neurotic pain the arse at the school gates.

Top post Clandestine - and agree with you Violet, it's being very misused at all levels

I have to say KM your attitude is odd. Why are so aggressive? Everyone here has really done their best to listen, discuss, concur, and yes disagree, because thats what its about. But if someone continues to disagree, you just don't like it and get all aggressive and huffy.

Why don't you take some time out from MN? I think you are upsetting pple and perhaps yourself.

KerryMum: "even as adults you will have people who don't read at all, or read trashy papers only and then at the other end of the extreme you will have people reading French existentialists in German for fun! " - yes of course, buty that reflects thier intellectual capacity and / or taste and interests, not thier simple ability to read words from a page.

The point Cod is making that reading in itself is not, or not necessarily a G&T matter - as proved by this account of the mother at her school.

I have no doubt that YOUR child is genuinenly and authentically gifted in his abilities, this thread, and this particular argument is not about you or your DS's relationship to giftedness. it is about the ridiculous way G&T is defined within schools, and the way parents are so unrealistic / smug / competitive about it when their children are within 'normal' levels of brighhtness anyway. And it is possible to be very bright and still within 'normal' levels of brightness. As MB keeps reminding us from her perspective of a teacher who is often to be seen revelling in the achievements of her pupils, and pushing them to do well and fulfill thier potential.

Don't take this thread personally.

I have to say that if my dd was chosen as one of the elite g&t i would be very proud.

How is you lo g&t kerrymum?

Well, I think it may be a case of n'er the twain shall meet, but heres what I think is happening;

1. other posters are saying the label is shite, not the children who may be G&T. It causes too many problems, has too many connotations. This has been said over and over. This is exactly the pt Cod was making in her own way.

2. you think pple are having a go at you and your kids. We aren't.

3. You get a bit arsey and kick back and of couse then others do. Its a cycle.

Its not all about you or your kids. They sound fab - and you sound like a mum who will fight for them all the way.

Kerrymum - I think the subtlety that you are probably missing, is that very many of the posters on this and other threads whom you are disagreeing with, also have children who are tagged as G&T. So those who have G&T children do not agree with you - far from it! They, unlike you, manage to keep a sense of proportion around the whole topic though!

On that basis will you kindly stop professing to post on behalf of those with G&T children, as you certainly do not represent the views of many of them!

Oh hear hear Clandestine!

No, sorry, KM - am mother to 2 apparently G&T children, and I think it's bollocks.

I'm very proud of them, but I'd be proud of them regardless.

I was thinking about this on the way to school... what if MY child was singled out as G&T?

Unless she is suddenly at the stage of A level maths before she leaves Junior school then I think I would probably just see it as being in the top level reading group etc - just which set she is in, nothing special.

Does that make me uncaring?

Do the G&T people go to little meetings like the Slug Club?