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Should I get my son assessed by an educational psychologist?

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figandmaple16 · 24/01/2020 23:05

I don't like to sound boastful, or brag about my son. But I am in the process of getting my son tested by an educational psychologist because I am curious to see how 'gifted' he is. But I am wondering if this is just something that every parent thinks their child is and like I am one of those pushy parents. The nursery room supervisor approached me recently, showing me photos of the things he was doing on the blackboard unprompted (some maths equations and writing the alphabet) and told me they would try to do some more activities tailored to him.
The reason I want to get him tested is because I want to help him develop in a more academic way, perhaps changing his nursery to one that will have more of a curriculum, getting private tuition which is age appropriate, finding kids more like him etc.
Right now, all he knows has been taught to him at home. So he is kind of home schooled but in a fun way where really he is the boss and everything we do is just around his interests. I also worry about him getting bored once he reaches school age as the nursery room supervisor said that in her opinion he was on the level of a primary 2 year old (Scotland).
He is nearly 3 and a half and is reading, though not fluently(we haven't really practiced all that much but he can read some kids books all the way through). He is sounding out words and asking constantly how a word is spelled. He is great at maths, he does basic addition and subtraction up to 20. But can do other ways bits beyond that for example adding x number to a whole number. He can recognise and tell me a written number in the thousandths and can write them down if I give him a number. He has a basic understanding of gravity, some body systems, the water cycle and some others. He is always asking 'whats inside x?' so he learns that way. He know very basic chemistry, such as the structure of an atom, some chemical formulas and a few functional groups as well as how the abbreviations on the periodic table work. He can write all the numbers, as Ive mentioned, and can write the alphabet (sometimes doing fancy and bubble letters) and write words though he generally writes in capitals and doesn't get spelling correctly (he writes them how they sound). He also can count in multiples of 2, 5 and 10 and is learning 3. He can count them to any number though he generally never reaches 100 (unless its multiples of 10) because he gets a bit bored demonstrating.
Am I being a pushy parent? As after reading on here, he is clearly not the only child his age in the world that can do this, so in a way am I just clutching at straws? Or am I validated for wanting to challenge him more and look for more suited environment etc? I am kind of just looking for validation in a way, is he gifted or is he just the normal intelligent toddler?

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Lordfrontpaw · 27/01/2020 14:05

I assume that hyperlexia doesn't necessarily indicate a future Nobel prize winner!

I started school at 3 and a half able to read properly (my red hard back copy of The House at Pooh Corner was my favourite book that I used to read back then).

Haworthia · 27/01/2020 15:02

What makes you think he isn’t hyperlexic, exactly? He’s three and a half and he’s taught himself to read and is also gifted with numbers. That’s completely exceptional (although a massively high proportion of Mumnetters will say that they themselves or their children could read ages three - trust me, it’s exceptional Grin).

nachthexe · 27/01/2020 15:16

Dd2 taught herself to read at 2. We still don’t really know how. Kids are weird. We weren’t hothousing (I wasn’t teaching her about atoms) but she basically remembers everything. They had a movement class at nursery and the gal mentioned the names of the muscles. So then she knew the names of the muscles. Little wee sponge. At 16 it has had barely discernible effect on her life. She’s smart, obv. If you looked at her grades in comparison to her peers you wouldn’t be able to say ‘that kid taught herself to read at 2’. Grin

CatkinToadflax · 27/01/2020 18:59

My DS1 has hyperlexia and ASD, ADHD, DCD, SPD and frankly most other acronyms as well. I only have experience of my son’s hyperlexia so it could present differently in others and I could be wrong - but in the OP’s son’s case it doesn’t sound like hyperlexia to me. My DS was reading completely fluently by age 3.5/4, (but with no comprehension of what he was reading) but didn’t have any more ability with numbers, science or anything else than any other child his age. He was also extremely delayed socially and verbally (we know in hindsight that he could read before he could talk).

OP I think your son sounds extremely bright and nothing you’ve said immediately suggests hyperlexia and/or ASD to me.

figandmaple16 · 27/01/2020 22:32

@Haworthia The reason I disagree that it may be hyperlexia is because you are wrong in saying that he taught himself. I have, since he was old enough to see clearly thought it would be best off to interact with him in a way which is useful to him. I had number, colour, alphabet flashcards, and I kept it up because the manner in which I did it (I am a bit of a clown) he really enjoyed. I also kept the theme through the day with messy play, reading stories etc.. At his young age I also taught him, or at least had him listen to me explaining things beyond his years which developed his vocab as it was a way for me to entertain myself and him. So yes, he is ahead, but this is because we have actively taught him things too, we just wanted to instil the love for learning.. Now he has the skill to build on this by himself, for example at the nursery doing equations or when he has his own free time. Thats why I wasn't very sure about the assessment as I wasn't sure if giftedness without abnormal neurological wiring was even possible since this is something that has been developed in a way which he is now able to harness.

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figandmaple16 · 27/01/2020 22:39

@nachthexe Wow thats amazing that your daughter taught herself to read!! And the memory things reminds me of my son Grin it makes the 'weird things kids say' to a whole new level!! I wasn't exactly planning on teaching him about atoms either but he watched an episode of story bots and he kept asking questions and we made it conversational (plus I quite enjoy his enthusiasm over these things, as its another common interest for us). As in if he was happy he would say he was like a proton because he is positive etc. He is just super inquisitive and he learns super quick like your daughter.

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figandmaple16 · 27/01/2020 22:42

@Lordfrontpaw a step up from me, I started school at 4 still eating boogers!! Do any Nobel prize winners have above average intelligence other than in their field? Probably not! They are probably more creative in the way they think!

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mumofthregirls · 27/01/2020 22:43

He sounds clever but it also sounds as though you've pushed him a lot. He's a child at the end of the day so if he's happy I'd leave him be.
I also wouldn't worry about him being on the spectrum, it's a bit sensationalised that autism et al means the child will have some sort of gift, most often this isn't the case. If he shows other signs then maybe consider it but for now I wouldn't.
Finally my DH had his IQ tested and is in the Mensa club (?), I don't think that knowledge has changed his life in any way at all. He's just one of those annoying people who is good at everything Grin

newyearnewear · 27/01/2020 22:45

My DS was assessed by his nursery as they found him so gifted. He was a complete sponge and took in everything. He was still very bright when he started school but after a few years things levelled out. He is doing well at his very academic secondary school but isn't exceptional.

I would let him be child for a bit longer before you think about assessing him.

figandmaple16 · 27/01/2020 22:46

@CatkinToadflax I certainly don't think so. And certainly not ASD, his good friend has ASD and the difference is crazy though his friend is very intelligent too.. I am sure he has picked up some Japanese as his mum and dad are into Japanese cartoons. But I wouldn't know, I don't speak Japanese either Grin

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BlueEyedFloozy · 27/01/2020 23:15

If you've found a nursery willing to do tailor activities involving equations with your kid i'd leave him there. I say that as someone with almost 20 years of childcare experience and as a parent.

Your DS' abilities sound VERY unusual - if I worked with him I'd be instigating a holistic assessment to see where he was leveling in all aspects before proceeding as there are almost always areas that need improvement. I agree that you've taught him what he knows but I'd be zoning in on his ability to retain and comprehend it as a point of interest as this cannot be taught.

As an aside please do not insist that he doesn't have ASD because he's different to his friend - it's not a one size fits all thing. There are literally thousands of variations which can impact on anything from how they walk to how they process and retain information. The saying goes "if you've met a child with Autism - you've met a child with Autism" because there is not 1 the same as another.

Anecdotally, my 13yo has Autism - perfectly functioning cognitive (slightly higher than average but not massively so) and physical abilities but one of his biggest set backs and the reason he was referred aged 10, has been his inability to engage with peers. He can't relate to people his own age and its become more obvious as he's gone up through school how emotionally immature he is which isn't something we could visualise.

Drabarni · 27/01/2020 23:23

It makes no difference at all honestly.
The other kids eventually catch up making yours nothing special, or they continue to wow all around them and you'll be advised by professionals what your choices are.
Until then, let him be, he's a child who needs to find his own way.
Curriculums are for older kids.

avocadoze · 27/01/2020 23:30

Honestly? You’re overthinking this. Love him, nurture him, celebrate who he is, encourage his interests. If he’s clever you don’t need to pay a small fortune for someone to tell you he’s clever. If he needs more structure give him more structure. But if he’s got to where he’s got to without much structure then leave him how he is. Education is a long game. You can feel vicariously clever if you want, by having your child diagnosed as super-super-bright, but it doesn’t do a lot. You’ve got to make sure he grows into a happy and rounded person.

I didn’t get my child genii diagnosed. They’re happy and secure people now at a very selective public school and a super selective grammar respectively.

raindropsfallingonglass · 28/01/2020 06:39

I’m also querying hyperlexia. I don’t think it matters that he’s been taught because most children his age wouldn’t retain this ability. I think hyperlexia covers all children who can read with any degree of fluency before age 5. I also agree that labelling him as gifted might not be helpful but I would want to know which areas he needs support in. From your description that sounds like it could be on the social development side - his preference for adult attention and conversation could just be an only child thing (more used to adult interaction) or it could be a social development question. I’d also caution about not wanting to see ASD because he could well be. I have an ASD/Asperger’s 5yo and probably the most telling trait is his constant little playground issues. He makes good friendships, but he doesn’t always play in the way you might expect him to.

I don’t think pushing him at this age is productive. He will always be able to do the things he’s good at, it’s everything else that needs some nurturing

GuyFawkesDay · 28/01/2020 06:58

I definitely read at three, my mum was an early years teacher though, so directed my enthusiasm well. She caught me sounding out the newspaper at 3. My daughter was the same and was reading all the basic level satpin word books before reception. She loved the Hairy Letters app too, which helped.

I'm not exceptional, I got very good exam results but am another example of an overanalyzing person like this. Am just a bog standard teacher.

We know a kid who at 7 has a reading age of 13, and is hugely gifted but is in normal school and classes because his parents just want a normal childhood for him. I can absolutely see how this is s good thing.

I'd just wait and see for now.

Lordfrontpaw · 28/01/2020 08:06

Don’t forget they Einstein was thought to be slow when he was at school.

Keep him occupied (is he a ‘busy’ child?) and stimulated. Talk to him. Let him play in the mud and bake fairy cakes. Sport, music, arts... dont tell him that he is special or gifted or ‘differ’ him from his classmates.

Try to find out what his ‘thing’ is maths, science, history?

figandmaple16 · 28/01/2020 21:33

I have taken every single one of these comments on board, and I understand where every single person is coming from. Thank you for the advice everyone!
For now, I won't get him assessed, as I have had a lot of advice here about how he is too young and some good reading materials have been shared with me through the private messages.
What I will do though is talk to his current nursery and see what wisdom they can shed about keeping track of his development together.
His 'thing' is most definitely numbers. Numbers everything, he notices them everywhere, if he sees a shape like a number he'll laugh, he counts cars going past in nursery rhyme tunes, always asking 'mama whats 200 + 18 + 300 + 9' etc AND his 'other other' thing is being silly cracking jokes and puns.
One from just before bed: *playing with jewel things on a plastic plate, and he made two eye shapes out of them, then he turns to me and said 'aye aye mama!' Grin
I agree with a mix of the advice here, I will continue just focussing on his love of learning which was the day 1 plan and take his lead on learning. Plus my side enjoyment of explaining things to him :)
Thank you all again, and I will bring up hypermedia and ASD however, I still don't believe its either he has no traits except a great memory!

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figandmaple16 · 28/01/2020 21:37

hyperlexia .. autocorrect!! Wink

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takeyourrubbishhome · 28/01/2020 22:52

I think one of the biggest misunderstanding about ASD is this idea that you need a lot of traits. My little Aspie has only a couple of traits/areas of difficulty, but they make him different enough that he has needs beyond the standard one size fits all offering. Of course some autistic children have many many different traits and difficulties but it isn’t always the case. If you genuinely mean writing mathematical equations (as per your OP) and not just drawing some random numbers then you’re heading into savant territory. ASD isn’t something that we should think of as negative or a weakness, neurodiversity just means that some people need different support to excel

BlueEyedFloozy · 28/01/2020 23:03

I agree re savant syndrome.

Writing mathematical equations at pre-school age is FAR beyond the average level of comprehension and ability.

Namenic · 28/01/2020 23:55

OP - Number blocks is a cool tv program.

The mental arithmetic can get quite tiring - but answer his questions as much as you can and talk through your answers eg 200+18+300+9= 300+ 200+ 20 + 10 - 2 -1
When it got too hard for me, I just said, I didn’t know but it was approximately 300 + 200+ 20+10... it did pay off and helped DS’s arithmetic. DS’s obsession wore off after a while and he moved on to other interests - but picked up some useful skills on the way!

cuckooken · 29/01/2020 00:04

Is he gifted or have you just taught him things most people don't teach their 3 year olds?

Namenic · 29/01/2020 00:44

With DS it’s a combination of both. But it’s led by him. He got obsessed with numbers and wanted to do lots of adding all the time, so we did that with him. We taught him some tricks like thinking of +9 as +10-1. He got quite a lot wrong, but we explained why and he continued to ask and picked stuff up. He then moved on to drawing maps of fictional train lines as his obsession and now scrabble. He picks stuff up from listening to us and talks about it (usually in the wrong context at first) so I take the opportunity to explain.

Bluerussian · 29/01/2020 02:38

If he goes to a very good school when he is four or whatever, the teachers will soon be able to work out what he needs to stimulate him. All schools encourage bright children, their results depend on it. Just be discerning when you are looking at schools.

In the meantime, carry on as you are, you're doing fine.

Noteventhebestdrummer · 29/01/2020 03:33

He sounds great but please don't let him "be the boss" - help him be a team player

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