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4 Year Old Very Eager to Learn - I need ressources hints for Maths and Reading

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artichaut27 · 04/05/2018 11:08

Hi mums,

I'm posting here in G&T because I don't know where else my question would fit.

I'm not sure my nearly 4 year old is gifted but he is definitely bright and early in literacy/maths. His preschool placed him 18 months ahead.
He knew most of his phonics at age 3 and blended shortly after.
He took a break from his deep interest in reading/maths for 6 months.

But he just had a growth spurt and he's very eager to learn (he spells himself to sleep, no joke!)

He's learned to read at "an end of reception level"(yellow book band) in two weeks or so. I've had to teach myself to teach him how to read (and I'm French, so this is not my phonetic system). Any methods to teach that I could find online? Like, for example, homeschooling ressources?

Also, he sat at the table the other day and said he wanted to do Maths.

I have a vague idea of "reception" maths but I can't find the curriculum or techniques to teach him.

Any hints?

Other question is what do schools offer as extra challenge for a child who is ahead in literacy?

many thanks!

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ginauk84 · 04/05/2018 12:01

Not online but if you google Gold Stars Workbooks I have found these good as they follow key stage 1 etc so you can pick which level you want and you can get some on amazon prime so they will arrive quickly too. At the end of each page there is a space for a gold sticker which my daughter loves!

Beetlebum1981 · 04/05/2018 12:15

Look at the nrich website - it's full of problems from Early Years upwards (and includes solutions 😁) and will allow him to apply what he knows.
nrich.maths.org/early-years

The BBC website have some good educational games to play.

With reading also work on his comprehension skills, ask him questions about what he's read.
www.understood.org/en/school-learning/partnering-with-childs-school/instructional-strategies/6-tips-for-helping-your-child-improve-reading-comprehension#slide-1

artichaut27 · 04/05/2018 12:37

Thanks ginauk84! We did a few Gold Stars Workbooks a while ago. Time to look for more.

Beetlebum1981
Thanks. Understood is a great website. I use it a lot because DS1 is possibly dyslexic. I didn't know nrich but it does look good!

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ginauk84 · 04/05/2018 12:53

Yes my daughter is 4 but has a reading and writing age of 6 so I found that the key stage 1 books were good. They do all sorts, maths, english, phonics etc so should be something to suit. I think we have all of them! Great for a rainy day

LuluMarie · 04/05/2018 13:04

I was an unusual child, I could read and write words at 2 (my parents jokingly named me the devil child because I toddler over and handed them a letter I had written to Santa!).

Turns out, it was Sesame Street! Lots of phonetics with the letters, spelling, so it’s good for that especially if you’re less comfortable with that yourself. Also lots of reading to me and my brother who also was ahead, don’t stick with books for the child’s age group, go with as high as they are interested in! Same with numbers, I had my times tables ahead of “time”, but I liked to learn and numbers can be practiced when outside walking or playing. Explain simple number concepts, then practice practice! The child will keep going as far as they can so will lead you. It was all a big game for me so no battle but it all never left me, I went all the way to a PhD and feel the advantage of the early boost to this day.

Are you teaching the little one french? Bilingual people from childhood have brains that can operate on higher levels, that helps brain development in general for all their learning, plus it’s a superb skill to have. I learned french as an adult and even as a smarty pants I founding it hard and will never be the same level as in English!

artichaut27 · 04/05/2018 13:25

Thanks for your insight and advice LuluMarie

I was advanced at speech and my sister at chess (she started competing at 5 and was champion of France at 8, although it never translated academically for her).

DS2 has been using Jolly Phonics and Alphablocks to teach himself how to read. He's great to teach, because he also understands concepts easily, he knows the difference between vowels and consonants, he uses the word digraph correctly, and we're started talking about simple grammar. So we can talk technically with him and he asks questions to fill the blanks.

The game and fun aspect of learning is what I'm looking for, because although he is clever for tricky concepts, he is still a 4 year old child! I'm loading on educational games from the charity shops at the moment.

Unfortunately, after 5 years of trying, we don't speak French at home anymore. My oldest who is 6 has Speech and Language issues, possibly dyslexic and can't speak French although he understands it well. Both English and French are opaque languages and have a multitude of vowels sounds, which is tricky for a boy with SLT issues.

I still read to them at night in French. The little one decided not to speak French to copy his brother! They will come back to it later I'm sure!

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LuluMarie · 04/05/2018 14:38

Yes games are good, I had letters and numbers blocks early on, they adapt to level, so it was all a game. Definitely educational games, I loved things like that. I don’t know how old I was when I realized that it was work! University I think:)

If your youngest understand french when you read then he is already miles ahead! I read that languages stay with young minds, so they will both have it in reserve, which is a wonderful thing to give them.

My Dad tried to teach me the devil/genius child chess, but I never had the patience! My mother was big on word games (is Countdown still on television? She and my brother did that every day, it’s a good game for your little one and the very impressive vocabulary!). My mother and brother were good at it, brother thought it was fun and improved well. He’s a smart kiddo too, as smart as I was in his own way, better at some ways of thinking (tech and IT are his thing, I can computer code because super high level finance maths you have to, but I hate it and it doesn’t feel natural to me, my brother feels it like language!). Just yesterday we were discussing my brother’s son, he’s a smart little cookie, like his Dad wants to know how things work (three years old for a few weeks and he was explaining circuits and the way computers work, whaaaaaat, my Dad thought that with my brother than I, I had the edge in general, but honestly I don’t think so. Kids are all different, that’s the magic! My brother could remember anything that made sense to him immediately, I was a studier and needed to study to do well. We’re all different and was never a competition. Fortunately not for countdown because I was useless! I got full marks for the numbers every time, then zero for everything else! My vocabulary and eloquence etc were always way ahead, but reorganizing letters to make words, my brain just doesn’t do it! All brains are different, everyone has their skills and ways of learning/functioning. Same with numbers and numbers the maths/science that followed, it feels smooth as silk to me. However chat to me in french and despite living in France for several years in and off, you’ll have a giggle at my mistakes! It’s another skill and my academia approach only gets me so far! So your little ones having a feel for another language is wonderful.

One thing to watch out for, something I was never aware of but my parents had gently mentioned it over the years, because I was the first child and smart, the talk about the genius/devil child was focused on me. My brother was only a couple of years younger, equally bright, sharper in many areas and a mind that didn’t need forced to remember, was overlooked. Not by my parents, but at school, wider family, friends. There was no talk of how bright he was and whilst my brother continued to do incredibly well and said well achieved, my parents said it was difficult for him as he was always following and it didn’t matter what he did, school and others asked about or talked about the first child, as I was the novelty. I saw no difference but my parents both said later that it was challenging for my brother to be overlooked even when he was doing incredible things himself.

I’m sure you don’t do that at home and your children will be each other’s biggest supporters, but it’s something to watch out for at school and strangers, especially if your first is very bright and interesting. In my family’s experience, with an unusual first child causing conversation and interest, it then doesn’t matter what the second child does, they can’t better the first or do anything “new”, so they are unreasonably overlooked or underestimated. My brother is fine, but I keep an eye out for all children are wonderful in their own way!

greathat · 04/05/2018 14:44

My daughter was the same. I always recommend Readingeggs as it's nice fun and low pressure. My dd was reading well by the time she started school

artichaut27 · 04/05/2018 17:30

Thanks LuluMarie I can totally see your point.

I spend a lot of time looking after them and their learning needs.

The oldest is bright in a quirky/creative/imaginative/science way, which academically in primary school serves little.
At least he is in a small class where they nurture all kinds of individuality. He needs extra help with speech, reading and writing.

His young brother is the opposite. And it seems unfair somehow but we work hard to make sure they are both well rounded at the end of the day.

The discrepancy between their abilities is puzzling but it doesn't separate them (they adore each other) and we don't discuss in front of them obviously. It's all a tricky balancing act, but they seem happy the way they are and that's all we want.

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gfrnn · 05/05/2018 07:38

Reading: We liked songbirds phonics
then frog and toad

Maths: concrete resources can be good at this stage.
numicon at home kit
base ten blocks
cuisenaire rods
Also an abacus. I wouldn't start pencil and paper maths until they have a secure sense of number and can do it mentally.
The squeebles apps are good once they're further along.

JustRichmal · 05/05/2018 09:00

I loved making up games for dd.
I used to use buttons or Smarties to show her counting and the idea of "one more/one less" Then adding. For subtracting, I would give her some counter, tell her to close her eyes and then say how many I had taken away.
I cut out shapes from gold card, placed them at one end of the room then asked if she could bring me the square etc.
I used to draw out a lot of things to explain to her, so a book of graph paper and colourful pens or pencils are useful.
It seems you are doing a good job of teaching already., so just keep going and keep it fun.
I got early learning books from Wilkos, but I don't know if they still do them.
Also the Letts KS1 revision guides and workbooks. They did a series called mythical maths and enchanted English.
Senteacher is a website with some good printable resources.
And, as ever, Khan Academy.
Another resource, though perhaps for when they are slightly older, is BBC Dancemat typing.

artichaut27 · 05/05/2018 09:44

Thanks a lot for the links gfrnn. Great tips! We long songbirds phonics.

Numicon at home sounds great. I'll look into the others.

I've now downloaded squeebles, as it'll great for both boys. We've been using Todo Maths for maths and it's great, but they get bored of it now, so it's good to keep it varied.

Thanks JustRichmal Making up games, is something we do a lot in daily interactions for maths. It's nice to tease their brains outside of pen/paper format. I do 'chocolate buttons' addition and subtraction! My youngest will do anything for chocolate.
Wilko is fantastic and they do have the Gold Star books ginauk84 mentioned.
I do like the idea of Mythical Maths and Enchanted English.
I'll also check out Senteacher and Khan Academy.

So glad I've asked this question here, I'm getting lots of good ressources tips here!!

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Twofishfingers · 08/05/2018 09:08

I have found lots of games and toys that were supporting problem solving on this website: www.brightminds.co.uk/

Board games that include any problem solving are good such as Nubble, Quirkle, Labyrinth, construction toys like Geomags, Tantrix, and Kapla bricks.

artichaut27 · 08/05/2018 10:16

Thanks Twofishfingers. I'm going to have a look at all this!

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orangeblosssom · 09/05/2018 18:42

Reading eggs for maths.

Tomorrowillbeachicken · 15/05/2018 21:57

Busythings.co.uk and change the age

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