How rare is it to get level 4 in ks1?

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I was wondering , since lots of children on MN gets level6 end of ks2.
Also wondering, since level will be gone(for my ds, in yr2), how do they set the target?

Wow! Congratulations Var!
I hope my ds can keep progressing like your ds!.

DS2 only got level 3 in ks1, so I'd say its very likely.

TBH level 7 doesn't have much in it that you can't do if you have a good grasp on l6. That's how Ds2 did it... he just used his level 6 knowledge and thought a little more carefully. There were only a couple of questions he couldn't do.

But maybe there's a message in that about how fast they can really progress at school? We found years 1,2,3,4 and 5 involved learning times tables back to front and inside out. Ds2 started to learn his in year 1 as the teacher was happy to let him race on. He had learned them by the end of KS1, but he still had to do one a week throughout year 3, up to 16x16, plus speed tests on 100 random ones that he had to get 100% on to be allowed to move on.

When that was done, so was year 3. We thought he might be allowed to move on in year 4, but no, again the focus was times tables. They even played a major role in year 5. Ds2 went through longish periods of hopelessness that he'd never be allowed to move on.

Year 5 had G&T maths though and that helped. Ditto year 6.

I happen to know though that the secondary school does level 7 maths in years 7& half of 8 for its maths top set, so I don't think Ds2 will get a clear run just yet. I've already initiated a conversation with the head of the maths dept about it under the guise of challenging DS1.

So, I am afraid you are at the start of a marathon, not a sprint.

Var, I understand what you mean. Yes, he has a long road ahead of him.
This year, teacher was really great, but not so much last year, just making him go onto the website she chose. He was so bored. I hope he gets good teacher again next year.
Also, he has issues that I mentioned on the other thread.
I just hope he just keep loving maths and does not lose his passion when he is faced with challenge.

My DD's report at the end of KS1 said she was a L3.
Her Primary School is in an area of high deprivation.
She leaves, sadly, on Friday with three l6 paper passes in Reading, SPAG and Maths.
The notion of her being a GnT DC has never been raised.

and yet, ProggyMat , with results like those, she undoubtedly is G&T (whichever definition is applied)

Var- I hear ya, in one sense.
Yet, in another- doncha love the notion of definition?
Please forgive me, I'm being naughty.
I empathise with a lot of of your comments-and may send you a MN message, at some stage, or you could too?
I just loathe the label GnT.

I think it's rare they'd let them sit the test or have an official assessment for it because otherwise the school is in the firing line if the child just levels out naturally. I don't think it's actually that rare for them to be at 4 and beyond though at Ks1 though, just like being beyond l6 at ks2 isn't true genius level.
waves at var123 well done, dd did the same. And her secondary are equally screwed as she's done most of ks3, but I'm sure they won't actually mind and will rise to the challenge

And yes the g&t label is rubbish proggy, too much discrepancy and open to interpretation. Dd apparently counts as g&t in both maths and English officially, but that's rubbish really, English she's just very bright and nothing like her actual gift for maths

My DD in year 2 was supposed to take KS1 L4 this year as she already got L3 a year ago. Then her school decided to let her sit KS2 and she got 5s in all subjects.

Wow! Fantastic m1n1moo!
Is it odd of me to be amazed that a 7yr old child can write with the maturity of a 13year old, but not surprised (although acknowledge exceedingly unusual) that they can do maths at the same ability level.

Thanks Mad!
It is shame that no sub-levels nor actual papers were given though. There is a huge gap between the bottom of 5c and 5a with full scores, isn't it?
I just wanted to see how well/badly DD performed in an exam environment + mistakes she had made in order to know which areas she needs to focus on.

My dd is assessed at a 2c (in maths) , she's just finished in reception, I'd hope she's a 3a/4c in the next 2 years.

I would say it is rare in general, but not rare at all among gifted and talented children. My dd also got level 4 math at ks1. Also not quite sure how things will develop from now on....
I will pm you with some advice though

Levels still existed for year 2 children this year because they were sitting SATs. And label G&T still exists too, because it all depends on individual school choice. Ours certainly has Gifted and Talented registrar.

DD was assessed 2B in reading at end of reception but assessed at 3A at end of KS1.

Whether she is L4 I really don't know but the school would not assess her higher.

Their school still has a G&T register too which is reviewed every year.

I think my ds was lucky that his school decided to assess higher than L3 this year.
The school also have G&T register and says on the website about activity etc., but my ds has never been part of it.

DD does a couple of pull out lessons/activities wrt G&T provision. She has been taught sign language, has been involved in setting up the school allotment as well as more "academic" stuff, she seems to enjoy it all

She is G&T for reading/literacy and high ability (not G&T) for maths (ie top group/table - but easily accomodated in class).

My only experience of an infant school was that they were not keen to stretch the children further than a L3. I was told that KS1 had limitations so DS was assessed as a 3c in Maths and writing and 3b in reading in spite of getting 100% on his L3 KS1 paper. He moved to a different junior school and within 3 weeks of starting Y3 he was assessed as a 4c in reading and writing and 3a in Maths.

I know of 1 other child who has been assessed as a L4 in Y2, I think that it is a real shame that children are not always challenged, my DS was left on the same reading level for 18 months as there were no reading books left on the scheme they had

Really old thread, not sure how this popped up at the top of my screen - sorry!!

My DC was level 4b in maths at the end of KS1 and then level 8 at the end of KS2. The primary school was not that great, but thankfully they did ask for help from the high school from year 5 where she went once a week for a lesson. The high school levelled her from then on. I think it is quite rare, but there are others like my DC in the high school.