How rare is it to get level 4 in ks1?

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I was wondering , since lots of children on MN gets level6 end of ks2.
Also wondering, since level will be gone(for my ds, in yr2), how do they set the target?

Feenie I answered the op's question.

But fine, whatever.

Then I guess the misuse of assessment like this is probably to blame for the fact that from next year all yr2 children will sit 7 tests, whatever their previous attainment.

Oh come on - you answered the OP's question with duff information! Which you now claim is because you weren't talking about KS1 statutory assessment even though the OP clearly was - since statutory KS1 assessment doesn't officially exist in non-state schools.

But yes - whatever!

Sapat, yr1 teacher said exactly the same thing.( He was level3 since start of yr1.) I knew it wasn't true since I've seen comments from Feenie and MRZ, Who I truly respect.
He scored 4c on yr3 optional Sats(?) paper in September, and school's attitude changed completely. He is working at yr5,6 7 curriculum at home.(Partially.)

Thank you everyone for comments!!

DS has just been given a level 4c in reading in year 2 and I have come on to ask the question when I saw the OP. I was actually quite dubious of it but the HT tells me it has been moderated by the borough. First 4 they have had. I don't quite know what they mean by it though. Would it be fluency and intonation or comprehension?

Should be had not have

All of that. Level 4s have to be moderated by the LEA in mine too.

Dogmatix - it's a reading comprehension test, not a reading test.

That's good to know, thanks Queen. I am actually a teacher but secondary Mfl so bit clueless with year 2 SATS. Would it be spoken questions or written?

Again, the test would have been a small part of the assessment. The LEA would have expected to see plenty of evidence that your dc is working at this level day to day in the classroom.

Thanks Feenie. Interestingly, he is at an Infants school and I wonder if he would have been given it at a primary.

If it's LEA moderated, then I would 100% rely on that - they will have been extremely thorough.

Good to know, thanks for the info.

Sorry to be ignorant but is this the same as the National Reading and Numeracy Test (Wales) and what would constitute a level 3 etc?

DS (8 in Aug, year 3) has results from the above with scores of 119 for Reading (the comprehension one I believe), and 125 for both Numeracy Procedural and Reasoning.

Are those the tests you refer to but a different name because we're Wales?! And if so, what level would those results be?

Afaik, the assessment system is totally different in Wales - but I don't know anything beyond that, sorry.

We are in Wales and in foundation phase - to end of year 2 we have outcomes. Outcome 5 is expected and outcome 6 is above average it used to equate to NC level 3. DS is currently working at outcome 6a in year 1 in maths and 6b in literacy. Technically he can only be awarded outcome6 at the end of year 2 as they don't award NC levels only outcomes, but technically he should be NC level 4 in year 2 certainly in maths.

Shakey the National Reading and Numeracy are different standardised tests, they are taken in each year from year 2-9. you will get a print out each year showing your child's marks for the previous years so can track their progress. You would expect their score to stay within about 8 marks of the same each year. If it increases more than that they are improving more rapidly than other children their age vice versa if it decreases.
A score of 100 means your child is average for their age. A score of 115 is above average (1 standard deviation away), 124 is very good, and 140 is top 1%.
They don't equate to levels, but we would expect a child with above 115 to probably get an outcome 6 in year 2, or NC level 5 in year 6, and if they didn't it would be looked at closely to see if there was an issue somewhere.

After reading all those comments, It makes me sad that even some teachers are sceptical about what someone says on the anonymous forum.
His teacher assessment of level 4 is moderated, so It's true!
My ds is really good at maths, but has other problems. It is so sad that you can't celebrate child's academic success like other things like sport.

Thanks. One proud set of parents

A level 4 is very rare and depends on two things: The child's ability and the willingness of the school to test to this level. If you are in a school where they will give a level 4 at the end of KS1 then you are one of the lucky ones and in a good school.

"It is so sad that you can't celebrate child's academic success like other things like sport."

I wrote a post about exactly the same thing a couple of days ago. It was on the KS2 sats results thread and some parents were complaining that some of us had children who had achieved level 6s. The posters point was that we should hide it so that we do not make them feel bad on behalf of their children.

(Actually my son got a level 7 but I decided not to mention it - wisely as it turns out given the L6 backlash!)

Level 7! Var congratulations to your DS that's amazing

I know what you mean. I would never tell anyone about DS's level 4 and yet continually have to listen to people telling me about their DCs sporting achievements. Mind you, I didn't need to tell anyone as they all told each other at school anyway!

Thanks, MadAboutMathsMum. It was only a past level 5-7 paper that the teacher gave him, but he loved it. He just likes maths (well as much as he likes any learning which is considerably less than he likes football!)

The only problem is that it means that he's probably not going to be challenged at secondary school either, at least for the first few years...