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Any tips to help a geeky 12yo girl learn social skills?

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AChickenCalledKorma · 16/12/2014 22:16

DD1 is in year 8, absolutely flying academically and really struggling socially. "No-one" wants to talk about things she's interested in. The list of things she's not interested in includes boys, fashion, music etc. The list of things she is interested in is harder to define, but would possibly include rock climbing, whatever book she's reading at the moment and whatever interesting scientific fact she's just come across.

She says she struggles in a noisy group when the conversation is bouncing around between different subjects.

When she came home today she was buzzing because she got a GCSE A* equivalent mark in her science test (and had told everyone at school, which might not exactly have helped her social standing Hmm). But later on she came home grumpy from her youth group, which was a Christmas party where she got a rubbish secret santa present. This is a typical range of emotions for a day in her life!

She reminds me a lot of DH, who hates parties, doesn't do small talk, is a typical engineer, with mildly autistic traits that have never been given any kind of diagnosis. I feel there are probably parents on this board with similar children and would love any tips about coping strategies for geeky teenagers, because it's hard to see her sad when she's doing so well at so many things!

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moonrocket · 18/12/2014 10:05

Savoy- thank you for the book link

LadySybilLikesSloeGin · 18/12/2014 10:09

It depends on what works for you. It can be useful to get a diagnosis as it opens doors, but to be honest CAHMS (we were referred for social skills training) don't have the funding so you're pretty much left to it as you're not seen as needy enough Hmm.

It can be an issue if you have a geeky kid as they don't see the world in the same way as their class. My son's in a boys school, they are all interested in girls and football and he's not. The other boys can also tell who's getting the A's which isn't helpful for him.

BathshebaDarkstone · 18/12/2014 10:48

Also Google gifted and talented, there are some really good websites with tips for things like this. I'm still hopeless socially, was never assessed as G&T, my 7-year-old DD has been but is really gregarious. Xmas Confused

coppertop · 18/12/2014 10:52

I second mummytime's suggestion to speak to the school to see what they suggest. My ds (ASD) has problems with the social side of things, ie he had no interest in other people but his teachers needed him to be able to work with others in groups for some tasks.

His teacher knew of a girl who sounds very similar to your dd and had the same issues. They get on really well, although they've had (as your dd did) comments about whether they were boyfriend and girlfriend. There may be another girl who is like your dd, or the school may have some clubs that your dd might like.

grassroots · 18/12/2014 11:00

Hi there. I don't have a daughter - or a teenager - but I just wanted to say that I think your DD sounds fabulous and I would be delighted to have friends as interesting as she obviously is! I hope that she is able to find some friends who share her interests soon. She sounds like a lovely lass.

Hakluyt · 18/12/2014 11:09

There also seems to be an automatic assumption by some people the very clever children are socially awkward, and that there's nothing you can/should do about it. There are loads of techniques to help children learn social skills and nobody would think twice about an "average" child needing to work on them. But for some reasons clever children are expected to "embrace their geekiness" "wait til they grow up to meet like minded people"- all sorts. Sometimes even that it's OK for them to do/say things that appear rude or unfriendly. Clever children like having friends too,you know. And it doesn't matter if the friends aren't as academically clever as they are.

var123 · 18/12/2014 12:50

You make good points, Hakluyt.

I completely agree with the "clever children like having friends too" but I have to slightly disagree with the bit about it not mattering if their friends aren't clever too.

It certainly doesn't matter if not all their friends are clever, but it does matter if there is no one who shares the clever child's interests.

e.g. DS1 is part of a friendship group who all enjoy playing video games a lot. They will endlessly make a little man jump on a screen or try to cycle fast around a virtual racetrack etc. The problem is that DS1 doesn't really like these things. He sees them in the way an adult might. So, he plays along for a while but he finds it boring and he gets a bit disillusioned by the imbalance in that he spends time doing what they like but its not reciprocated.

Another issue that i've witnessed is when they argue. The other child couldn't explain his POV and he couldn't see the inconsistencies in his argument but he was resolute in sticking to his opinions. It was in the car and Ds1 was fizzing with frustration! I was listening because I was thinking that Ds1 was going to say something he'd really regret.

Hakluyt · 18/12/2014 13:05

"The problem is that DS1 doesn't really like these things."

That's not a matter of cleverness, it's a matter of taste. There are loads of super bright kids (and adults, although I find that baffling!) who love video games. I agree, you need to find friends with common interests, but focussing on intellect can mean you're lumped together because of only a tiny bit of what makes you you, if you see what I mean.

var123 · 18/12/2014 13:09

Yes, i see what you mean. I think its more a sign of maturity than just taste. e.g. the adults who play these games aren't very grown up, are they? (Least not the ones I've seen Ds2 watch playing minecraft on youtube).

Hakluyt · 18/12/2014 13:35

Ah, now that's another thing I think people should be careful about(sorry!) when they are patenting clever children. The encouragement to think of themselves as too grown up for the things their peer group enjoy...............

var123 · 18/12/2014 13:50

as opposed to genuinely not finding anything interesting about them.

Anyway, you will notice that Ds2 does like them and he's very clever too.

PiqueABoo · 18/12/2014 14:22

Hakluyt Do you have experience of a clever child with one or more significant [geekiness] symptoms then personally, successfully, mitigating some related problem or other?

Theas18 · 18/12/2014 19:19

The 15yr old she say- find the others like you and geek out together. That way happiness lies.

Hakluyt · 18/12/2014 19:34

I don't quite understand your post, pique. I am speaking from the position of having a child who is very different academically and, for want of a better word, socially, from the vast majority of his school mates, and who has navigated those very tricky waters with some aplomb and success. And also from the position of observing the very gifted/geeky children of friends and relations. Why do you ask?

AChickenCalledKorma · 18/12/2014 20:01

Wow - loads more posts. This is a really interesting discussion (she says modestly, having started it Blush).

The Smart Girl's Guide looks brilliant. I am definitely ordering that.

Theas18 please tell the 15yr old she sounds fab and I will encourage DD to keep hunting down the ones who will enjoy geeking out with her.

stn24 don't worry - we are wholeheartedly supportive of her academically and have no intention of encouraging her to seek popularity in favour of working hard. Frankly, it would be like trying to change the course of the Titanic anyway. But at the moment she's sad and there are some good ideas on here about how to help her rub along with people a bit better.

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Hakluyt · 18/12/2014 20:31

"I know which route I want my daughter grow up into."

Well, I quite want my children to be both- a girl with lots of friends and interests, and good grades too. It doesn't have to be one thing or the other.

Takver · 18/12/2014 21:10

I'd second trying to find a group of like minded people - my yr 8 dd sounds pretty similar to yours, but she's really been helped by becoming a member of the library helpers team. The library in her school is definitely a centre for all the slightly geeky awkward kids.

Outside of school, she's massively into various online fandoms - not to be sniffed at as an alternative source of like-minded people (MN for geeky girls Grin )

Re. the marks thing, it doesn't help if the teachers pointedly call attention to those getting 100% in tests . . . (why do they do this - was the same in my day - they wouldn't name those getting low marks!)

Storytown · 18/12/2014 21:21

I haven't read the thread (sorry) but wanted to post as I was very similar to DD. I once scored 99% in a science test and couldn't understand why my friends weren't excited too Grin

I loved Guides. Most of the girls were a bit "different" and we got to do loads of great and varied activities that weren't too girly and meant we were being sociable but also busy, so if I had nothing to say it didn't matter. I'd actually say that my Girl Guide "career" is in a large part responsible for the adult I am today. Much more rounded than I would have been without it.

DS is getting similar benefit from Army Cadets if that might be more her thing.

Jeeves93 · 23/12/2014 11:20

Have you considered Army Cadets? :)

HughHonour · 01/01/2015 11:28

Common interests !
My 12 year old son who is diagnosed with AS is struggling to find peers with the same interests .

His interests as defined in first day of secondary :

Likes :
Drawing
Reading
Science

Dislikes :
Football
Video games

Doesn't mind :
The letter 'a '

Quotes extracts from CS Lewis : ' Through the looking glass '
Can name most plants and there Latin name

Any others mums children have similar interests living in W London ? Smile

mythbustinggov · 01/01/2015 11:35

If she likes climbing, finding a youth group that does that sort of activity (a good Scout Group, for instance) would be a good place to make friends. You may need to shop around a little, though - not all youth groups (even within the same organisation) are equal.

woollyjumpers · 01/01/2015 11:42

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tricot39 · 12/01/2015 16:37

Any male alternative's to the Smart Girl's Guide?

mychildrenarebarmy · 23/01/2015 13:05

This book is great, not just for diagnosed Aspergers children. DD has found some bits useful, so have her socially inept parents.

GraceFox · 26/01/2015 09:44

When my ds1 and 2 were younger - say 7-11ish - ds2 in particular used to struggle sometimes in social situations. Neither was interested in football or the music of the moment, they had obscure interests that nobody at school shared etc etc.

I used to make up 'social skills' quizzes and we'd use these in a light way eg in the car, or while relaxing at home. There would be multiple choice answers: one ridiculous, one nearly right and one 'spot on'. The boys found them funny and I think they helped. We'd go through why there was an ideal answer, a second best and an utterly wrong footed, expanding with other examples of similar type.

Thee real focus was always about working out how the other person would feel if ds1/2 were actually to respond irl in each of the 3 ways.

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