Definition of G&T child as opposed to Bright child

[Moomin]

Thought you might be interested in the latest findings from our school's study into the definition of G&T kids at the point of identification. I'm not saying this is right or wrong or whatever, but thought that some parents might be interested in what some schools are using as a criteria when they are trying to find a difference between 'Bright' and 'G&T'.
"Identification
How do we know what a Gifted and Talented student looks like? The list below is not definitive but may help to narrow down perceptions.
?Bright? Child > Gifted and Talented Child
Shows interest > Is highly curious
Usually has good ideas > Always has good ideas and sometimes lateral ideas which may appear to be silly at first
Knows most of the answers > Knows most of the answers and starts to ask questions
Answers questions appropriately > Answers questions but then tends to elaborate
Needs several repetitions for mastery of a skill > Needs only one or two repetitions for mastery
Understands ideas > Constructs abstractions
Enjoys peer company > May prefer the company of adults or respond well to adults
Grasps meanings > Draws inferences
Copies accurately > Creates original work and designs
Technician/Operator > Creator/Inventor
Absorbs information > Manipulates information
Good at memorising > Good at memorising and making informed guesses from background or contextual knowledge
Makes observations when shown how > Is keenly observant
Satisfied with own work > Highly self criticial and sets exceedingly high standards
Enjoys straightforward sequential problems > Thrives on complexity
Requires direction from the teacher > Shows independence, thrives on problem-solving and responds to problem-discovery style learning
Interested and committed to learning for reasonable periods of time > Extremely curious, able to concentrate for lengthy periods, major commitment to their own development is seen
Can cope with problem solving > Enjoys problem solving, often missing out the intermediate stages in an argument and will be able to reach meaningful conclusions
Creative and imaginative > Has an unusual imagination which may be seen in the way they respond to tasks and questioning
Enjoys reading and absorbs information as a result > Has a wide range of interests which provoke a very good general knowledge and vocabulary, often beyond that expected of someone their age
Sensible, mature > Mature beyond their years, perhaps with a wry wit and dry sense of humour
Considerate to others > Has a well-developed sense of the implications of actions or situations which may be manifest in high levsl of sensitivity and empathy towards others "

btw don't know what those question marks are doing around Bright Child - it doesn't mean there is a query about it!!

Interesting moomin, in my ds's secondary grammar it was based only on the CATS they sat straight after starting yr 7.

Crikey! I was G&T as a child then. Now I want a G&T

God what a pile of pants...
Sorry but what is the point of defining children in such a way?

I have seen the list before and can see why it might be helpful, but it is very "stereotyped". I'm sure there are as many immature/averagely mature gifted children as there are incredibly mature ones. In fact, the asynchronous development of extremely bright children often means that they are struggling with complex ideas they can't quite cope with when they have the emotions of a typical 3 or 4 year old.

BTW, not saying either of mine are gifted/talented (always feel I have to add that rider).

I also think NAGTY has specific ways of identifying G+T children, I think now teacher recommendation is involved as well as test results and the usual shebumpbs

I stil think a raw IQ test at age 11 is just as effective.

My son was identified by his primary school as being gifted and talented. He was (apparently) extremely bright at maths and they also thought his art and drawings were exceptional. he went to a G and T summer school in the holidays ,at the secondary school he was about to transfer to ,but since then I've heard nothing. How do you go about finding out if they are still considered G and T ? Does any body know?

thast shite imo

With all due respect to Cod I'll enlighten you
Secondary schools use NAGTY criteria to select their pupils
these can be by
teacher recommendation
exam/test results
exceptional coursework
So obviously in yr 7 teachers do not get to know the kids very well so my ds's school did not admit any til the april after they had started yr7 - you also need to check that your secondary school is "linked" with NAGTY
They technically take the top 5% nationally.
My ds was G+T all through primary, exceptionally so.
However he did not get into NAGTY in yr7 - he had broken arm and missed the CAT tests which they used for selection
He has now been admitted in yr 8

Was it through NAGTY your son went to summer school with?
In which case he should already be identified to them.

What did Wondercod mean by that comment/ That the G + T thing is shite or not knowing about how your child is doing in 2dry school?
My son's new school did all the C.A.T.s tests in July before they left 1ry school so they went armed with all the results and it was as a result of these that they were asked to the summer school. I personally don't knoe the results of the CATS tests or their significance or even if being identified as G + T is a good idea. what do other people think?

I obviously am not G + T myself as I can't even spell know!