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Giftedness disappearing?? Anyone else experienced this at 6yo?

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Pearlington · 15/06/2013 20:05

Apologies for the length, but I feel I need to give some background to convey the problem. Dd was scary pretty much from birth. But now, age six, I find it seeming to disappear. It's so odd. Ill give some examples of milestones and intellectual prowess for context...

First speech 6 m
Picked out letters spontaneously 11 m
Sentence speech 13 m
Knew all alphabet letters - names and sounds - 14 m
Naming dozens of plants in Latin 16 m
Drawing recognisable faces 19 m
Asking philosophical, science and maths questions 20 m
Writing name 21 m
Reading 26 m

By 2.5 she spoke like an adult, read non fiction obsessively and had incredible insight and unending spontaneous deductive reasoning particularly in science and philosophy.

She was identified as gifted when she started a highly selective pre-prep nursery at 3 and was given Year 2 homework. In reception, the teacher said she may need to skip a year in a couple of years time and her stock phrase was, ?It must be so exhausting to be her. I?ve never seen a young brain active like that. She never stops experimenting with concepts, deducing how things work, analysing everything around her. It?s tiring listening to it and keeping up with it.? The head of pre-prep and school head jointly decided DD should have her own curriculum put in place from Year 2 on. However, starting Year 2, her new teacher told us the other kids had probably caught up over the summer so DD wouldn't need extension work.

Now, she remembers little of what she taught herself then and seems to have lost the endless thirst. She taught herself the names of all the bones in the body, how the organs worked, today she does not seem interested. The eternal incisive questioning has stopped and if I offer to explain something she says it?s boring and she doesn't want to know. If I ask her about things she used to love to discuss, she looks blank or gives a fairly thoughtless (or perhaps more age-appropriate) answer. If something looks challenging, she avoids it. Her brain never seems to get into gear.

She still says amazing things occasionally and about two months ago, I found her in the kitchen trying to extract DNA from her saliva - she'd found instructions in a book and got the whole experiment together on her own. Her reading age at 6 is pretty much adult. But all the burning curiosity and drive has weakened or even gone.

I've never pushed her but responded to her interests. Now I feel a little lost and confused as to what's gone on. I feel like I'm parenting a changeling. I asked her today if science still interested her and she said, "not like it used to. I'd like to know a bit more about cells.""What would you like to know about them?""I dunno". That was it. She has a Brian cox app and watches a lot on space. The only other relevant info I can think of is that I?m currently pregnant and have been seriously ill with my pregnancy and she seems to be suffering enormous self-esteem problems and keeps telling me she is stupid, a bad person and ? today ? a loser.

Does anyone have any thoughts? Has anyone else experienced this? Thanks so much in anticipation.

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Acinonyx · 17/06/2013 21:37

Pearl - we had a quite a math crisis this year. Teachers saying all is fine - top set yada yada. Dd says it's too hard and she hates math - even tears over it. Had a tutor for a while to get to the bottom of it - dd just can't cope with getting anything wrong or taking more than 10 seconds to figure it out. It's not her best subject and she feels bad at it. Tutor was a big help and we may have a few weeks now and again to build confidence.

School did lots of testing which has been a big help but not sure on the follow-through aspect.

Pearlington · 17/06/2013 21:37

You're right layl77. I definitely don't want to do that and I won't.

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Pearlington · 17/06/2013 21:40

Acinonyx - sounds like my daughter to a tee. Wow. Realising how similar they are is making me feel so much better.

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prissyenglisharriviste · 18/06/2013 00:33

Dd2 was tested as being between 2 and 7 years ahead across the board when she was 5. She's a bit of an oddity though - she also has cerebral palsy and wasn't expected to be able to talk. It was only when she became verbal that we realised she could read, so we don't really know when she taught herself that, for example. (She became verbal at three, but was reading c s lewis at that point). Her iq only came out at 142, but the psych explained that this was a depressed score because of her inability to carry out some of the tasks due to her fine motor difficulties (the block assembly and whatnot - so she knew exactly which way to turn and assemble, but couldn't manipulate the blocks in the time allowable - and of course was really excited to do it, but her fine motor gets worse with intention Grin. They used the older kids on her instead of the wechsler that goes up to 6, as they knew she would top out.

The other two have lower iqs, still well in the gifted range but don't have the issues with 2e. (Well, ds does, but his issues are different).

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Pearlington · 18/06/2013 06:18

Gosh prissy, she sounds remarkable. How wonderful!

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Pearlington · 18/06/2013 08:40

Well, after a weird month or so, and lots of work to reassure her about various things, this morning seemed a bit more normal. She wanted to discuss molecules, atoms, electrons and elements over breakfast then asked me if I can buy her some mandarin books. She was analysing what was going on inside the coffee machine fr She seemed full of energy and enthusiasm and really happy. Hope this is a sign things are improving for her.

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Pearlington · 18/06/2013 09:04

Ps since I've been ill, my mum's been giving her breakfast every day in her lounge. I realised she's been sticking the tv on throughout brekkie when we would always chat. Breakfast time used to be one of the times DD was most hyper about all her questions and analyses. This morning I pointed out the fact that tv was on out and DD instantly switched it off saying, "yeah mum, mealtimes are for families to talk". Then suddenly it all came spilling out of her. My mums in a real strop about it as she missed the news but I think it's been contributing to the problem and if it wasn't for all your advice I wouldn't have started connecting the dots. She's so excited about getting a mandarin book she was singing about it! Hoping we are turning a corner. :-)

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milkymocha · 18/06/2013 09:21

She sounds delightful.
Could you look into getting her a mandarin tutor maybe? Smile

Pearlington · 18/06/2013 09:30

The Chinese mums at school have been looking for one for a year and don't seem to be able to find anyone. She'd love that. Such a shame.

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Acinonyx · 18/06/2013 11:38

I think we'll have to watch the screen time - it's one of my own weaknesses Blush. This may sound mad, but I actually wonder if it's also the time of year - spring to summer. I feel a lot more engaged myself (not that it's much of a summer so far...Hmm).

Tiggles · 18/06/2013 15:54

Sounds promising :)

RedHelenB · 19/06/2013 19:42

Watching the news is educational too!

Snog · 19/06/2013 19:50

How does she get positive attention from you?

Portofino · 19/06/2013 20:06

Are you in the US? Makes it easier to I know so people can suggest resources.

AmazingBouncingFerret · 19/06/2013 20:24

How on earth did she get hold of the ingredients to extract saliva?? Grin

AmazingBouncingFerret · 19/06/2013 20:24

*extract DNA from..

CotherMuckingFunt · 19/06/2013 20:31

There is another option here. You could let her be a child, watch TV, chill for a bit. If she is as gifted as she appears to be it won't 'disappear'. In order for a gifted child to be able to utilise their talents they need to enjoy them. Her brain might just need an academic break in order for the rest of he to catch up.

ouryve · 19/06/2013 21:08

Most likely the drinks cabinet, Amazing - the instructions online use strong vodka.

AmazingBouncingFerret · 19/06/2013 21:35

Yeah I know the ingredients, I'm just amazed a 6 year old managed to get her hands on them!

littone · 19/06/2013 21:45

Would any of the chinesebmums have her to play on a regular basis, so even if not formally taught she could hear and speak mandarin?

Pearlington · 19/06/2013 21:50

You can do a scaled back / basic DNA extraction with detergent, acetone and saline actually. She found the instructions in a book.

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AmazingBouncingFerret · 19/06/2013 21:54

Ah that clears it up, was wondering how she got her hands on high proof alcohol! Grin

Pearlington · 19/06/2013 22:04

Seriously she's plenty a kid. She overdoses on screens and that sends her bad tempered and hyper so, like all parents I know, we try to limit it. But it's replaced with healthy outdoor time, board games, making stuff, outings, playing with other kids, reading and general family fun. My golden rule is that mealtimes are for families to communicate. She can and does watch the news, but not at a meal table. I was brought up with strong values about the importance of sitting down as a family to eat and talk about our day or the news or anything that takes our fancy and I stand by that as an important value of mine.

Positive attention from me is thin on the ground when I've been laid in bed for two months sick. But normally we have lots of stuff we like to do together. We live near a Heath, she brings her scooter and I take my jogging stuff and we run/scoot together, pick up whatever she's collecting - leaves, flowers, and she likes to take photos of stuff to go in a scrap book we do together. We play board games. We bake. We do craft projects.

Why is it everyone thinks if a kid's a bit intellectual that they don't play? My daughter couldn't be more normal and well adjusted.

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Pearlington · 19/06/2013 22:34

And just to clarify, at no point have I suggested I wanted to do anything other than let her be a kid. I refused her being shoved up a year at school for that reason. I started this post because I couldn't work out what was going on with her. She wasn't herself and seemed to have lost her interest in the world. I think I got to the bottom of it now and she's really snapped out of it remarkably. No more angry self loathing teenager. No more waking three times a night. No more everything is boring.

She's ten times happier, more confident and excited about everything. She's basically herself again. And yes, that does mean that her brain is constantly whirring with ideas, concepts, number patterns, new projects - she's bouncing all over the place full of the joys of spring. That doesn't mean she's not a kid. She's just a happier and more engaged one than she has been for a while.

And I don't think I should have to justify not wanting her to be raised by a TV set and iPad. I think parenting is more than that. Letting my daughter become a screen zombie is not the same thing as letting her be a kid and is not a badge for healthy parenting IMHO. And letting her discover other things in life to enjoy is not stopping her being a kid either.

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