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Documentary BBC 9pm tonight about Cameron Thompson an amazing Mathematician

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iggly2 · 07/11/2011 13:44

Thought people might be inrterested.

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Colleger · 17/11/2011 10:55

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sanam2010 · 17/11/2011 11:30

Colleger, it seems like the claim of a 220 IQ is not your fault but you must have gone to one seriously bad Ed Psych. I think you are pointing out yourself that beyond a certain level tests are not reliable, but I have to tell you most academic psychologists would agree that the level where these tests become unreliable is closer to 145 than 170. This is for two reasons. On the one hand, test developers don't have the resources to test 1 million children that would be required to find the one in a million genius. Secondly, at the high levels intelligence becomes much harder to grasp and merges with creativity and problem solving for non-standard and new problems, not those with a right or wrong answer as required by an IQ test.

The reason some psychologists find seemingly spectacular IQs is that when they test very young children, the overall achievement level is lower so it is easier for a child to reach an unusually high level. The tests that still work by the age system are pretty outdated and I would not take any psychologist who uses them to determine IQ seriously (they may have a purpose in the school setting when you want to determine what level of school year the child's attainment is appropriate for). That's why you can sometimes find 6 year olds seemingly reaching fantastic scores - the result will be a mix of high intelligence and precociousness. Just because a child is ahead in his development doesn't necessarily mean he will always remain ahead to this extent. If the same child was tested at age 16 with a modern IQ test he would just score somewhere around 145, which is where most reliable IQ tests actually stop. Beyond that level, there is not much sense in claiming one person has a higher IQ than another. That's why you need to be careful about saying your son has an IQ of 220, no-one will take you seriously. Glad he is doing so well though - good for him. I think being at a private school in London helps in terms of being in an environment that is supportive of achievement, curiosity and competition.

Colleger · 17/11/2011 11:41

Fair enough Sanam, although I can only reiterate what I have been told. It may be worth adding that two different tests five years apart did produce the same IQ score for both boys - the youngest has an IQ of 137 and it seems odd to get exactly the same score as I would have thought a sway of up to 10 points either way. The eldest hit the ceiling Mark, which the school said was around 200 and the highest score they'd ever seen. I'm not boasting just trying to understand what it means as although his maths is strong he is not a genius in my opinion.

Before Rod pipes up, I'm having a conversation with Sanam in the context of her knowledge as an Ed Psych so please don't accuse me of boasting.

wallowaway · 17/11/2011 11:43

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wallowaway · 17/11/2011 11:43

lovely programme by the way

reallytired · 17/11/2011 12:22

RodThompson,

Take no notice of people who are trying to say that their child is better than your son. All our children are unique and have something to give the world. Children like your youngest daughter with severe special needs are every bit as precious. People who boast about their children's IQ are insecure and prehaps need to get a hobby/ job. Intelligence tests are just an arbitary number and not a way of measuring anyone's worth.

Although I have never met your family I feel in awe of you. It must be really hard to make sure that your middle daughter gets the attention that she needs. Does your middle daughter feel over shadowed in maths by her brother? I got the impression that she enjoys art.

I shall now boast about my children. Somehow I don't think they would make a documentary.

My two children are very normal. They have never had an intelligence test. Neither of them are a mathematical genius, I am not even sure which maths group ds is in. At nine years old the biggest problems ds faces in maths lessons is being made to sit with the girls!

It is too early to say if my daughter is any good at maths. She is gifted and talented at climbing to find pens to draw on walls at the age of two!

RodThompson · 17/11/2011 13:05

Reallytired,

Totally agree with you that every child is unique and no one child is better than another. Iq tests indicate potential but you cannot force a child to fulfil that potential if they arent academically motivated. The ultimate goal for any parent is that their child is happy and the fact is there are miserable college professors and happy bin men out there! We want our children to pusue whatever makes them happy.

Dont be in awe of us....we are a normal family who struggles everyday with parenthood meeting different challenges. What i get most annoyed about is not the people who brag their children are better but the ones who claim parenthood is easy and they have never had problems. We have good times, we have bad times but we have been very lucky to get through things with some good support people. We are not rich, we cannot afford to look at top schools, tutors, private psychologists and the like but we make do.

We live by the motto that happiness is about learning to appreciate what you have rather than dwelling on what you dont have.

My wife and i went to private grammar schools in northern ireland but never fitted in. In the environment i was in there was so much falseness that it was uncomfortable. It became less about education and more about social status which i didnt have.

When we made the programme our hope was to show people the difficulties when intellectual development is out of line with social development. I personaly do not beleive that any Gifted child doesnt have social problems due to an inabiity to relate to their peers.

Our middle child has severe autism. Her mental age is 3 although she is actually 12. She cant talk and is still in nappies.

Our younger daughter is "normal". She is very into her drawing and reading a lot more than her brother.

RodThompson · 17/11/2011 13:16

To add....

It is a concious effort to make sure my wife and i encourage each child in their own interests.

Beth for example collects porcelain rabbits so we make sure we take to her to antiques shops and encourage her interests away from cameron. We make sure we recognise her strengths and we spend time with her every day.

I have always loved the saying "i would rather raise a child with special needs than one who makes fun of people with special needs"...i would change that to say "i would rather raise a child to be happy than force a child into fulfilling a definition of potential based on an iq number that says nothing about who they are as people.

Our children have been brought up in a christian family to beleive that their direction in life comes from God and not based on human ideas of success. No doubt this statement will offend but frankly i dont care!

BrigitBigKnickers · 17/11/2011 13:49

Hi Rod- I watched the documentary about your lovely son this morning on the i-player and I have to say how impressed I was with not just him but your whole family (your younger daughter seems to have great empathy- what a lovely child.)

I am a special needs teacher and one of the boys I work with at the moment has aspergers- although not as gifted as your son, he has a high IQ achieves highly at school and copes well in a unit attached to a mainstream school.

One of the strategies we have used with him to help him with social skills and making friends is a weekly social group made up of him and some of his classmates (some chosen by him some by us- but they are given a choice if they want to attend or not).

These sessions help his classmates to understand some of his quirkiness and help him to practice social skills in a controlled environment. He always seems to have plenty of boys to play with at break time and his mum said his recent birthday party was a great success.

Some of the strategies we use are based on"Circle of friends"

I am aware he is in a specialist unit for pupils on the spectrum but has anyone ever tried this strategy with Cameron?

Ignore me if he has- just though it was worth a mention.

seriouschanger · 20/11/2011 19:33

what a delight Cameron was...I did feel for him when he was really anxious as ds gets like that too excepts vomits....ds dx severe autistic and loves maths too...his teacher said ds was yr 6 maths equiv and is in yr 3 so pleased he is good at some things...the other boy was lovely too...hope Caneron takes Cambridge advice and enjoy maths and goes there to do his degree as it sounds 'perfect' for Cameron!

seriouschanger · 20/11/2011 20:06

Hey Rod didn't realise you were the P! You are so lucky to live by that school they were fantastic...also north Wales really good with ASD...I live in South and totally rubbish!

Have you looked into ABA for your dd who is severe? It really helped my ds! It must be very hard having two children on spectrum at different ends meeting their needs as so different! I would love you to do a sequel in 2-3 years to see how Cameron is now esp with his new school the teacher was fab!

Hope Cameron's maths going ok.....has he passed his degree? Or did he decide to wait? When is he off to Cambridge:) the Lecturer was very keen for Cameron to go to when older. I guess part 2 will give the answersWink

well done though for doing this to make more awareness to AS!

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