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How much does school get for a G&T artist?

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taken4granted · 19/01/2011 20:33

Hi everyone, my 10 yr old daughter has been ion G&T register at both her schools and yet neither have actually done anything about it. As its in a non academic subject I dont think they really care about helping her develop her talents and leave her to it. Im sure schools get extra funding of differing amounts for G&T children in teir roll which they are supposed to use to help the child develop their skills by providing extra tuition/guidance/resources etc etc - unfortunately nione has come my daughters way - she is still using the crappy paints that every other child uses and nothing else. I've spoken to a local artist who works in schools in the area and he is willing to supoprt my daughter should school be willing for him to come in on a regular basis to help tutor the G&T pupils ( hes sure there must a few at the school) Im going to make appt to see HTeacher at school but was hoping to have some form idea how much school gets for her. All ideas welcome and if anyone else has a G&T artist your thoughts and experiences welcome

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Changeisagoodthing · 19/01/2011 20:36

They don't get anything at all.

Goblinchild · 19/01/2011 20:42

We can send children on LEA one day courses, they are oversubscribed but cover a number of subjects. Our local secondary run a number of courses for G&T children, afternoon sessions, some one-offs and some as a short block.
We regularly send children on them.
What makes you sure that schools get funding for G&T children?

LadyGlencoraPalliser · 19/01/2011 20:43

Schools don't get funding for G&T children.

Changeisagoodthing · 19/01/2011 20:49

Schools don't get any funding. Any la run courses (which are not usual) will end in march as the la will get no g&t funding at all next year. G&t advisers and consultants have been served with redundancy.

Secondary schools may offer something. More common with maths or English.

PixieOnaLeaf · 20/01/2011 14:56

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FranSanDisco · 20/01/2011 15:03

Dd is on G&T register for art. I found out only when she was invited to an after school club session. This year the teacher who runs it (voluntarily) is too busy. I can't see how she is G&T at art tbh.

LadyGlencoraPalliser · 20/01/2011 15:53

My yr9 DD is on the G&T register for everything including Art (and Drama) at her secondary school. The only thing they seem to have missed her off is PE (leading me to hope that the penny may have dropped that she's dyspraxic). She is genuinely very academic across the board, but no way has she got any particular gift for art. And yet one of her friends, who is genuinely artistic, is not on the list. Go figure.

taken4granted · 20/01/2011 16:20

thanks it seems that maybe schools dont get any extra funding anymore hving said that when I worked in a school last yr they definately got extra funding for G&T pupils - probably know as a pupil premium. hence my question _ im also sure some sort of extra funds are available to school as I was talking to a local artist who works regularly in some schools and they get their funds from the kids on the register.

Anyway does anyone have any ideas how I can get my daughter extra tuition encouragement? - I personally cant afford a fortune for a private tutor Im a single working mum, she already has a tutor to help her with her schoolwork as she scored low in her sats etc which is if great benefit.

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triballeader · 20/01/2011 22:14

Being gifted in art has never been school funded.
BTW if your good at art you can draw and paint with anything because it simply pours out with whatever you have to hand.It really is not the materials that make the artist. My daughter has inherited some of my ability with a twist of her own but has not the same drive I had to hunt down her own tutors.

What helps is endless piles of paper, my dad used to bring home everything from computer print out sheets to scraps of draught paper. Rolls of heavy duty lining paper are brill for creative kids.

Go to art galleries, public displays, sculpture parks anything and everything out there is a source of visual inspiration if you look.

Its worth paying for good graphite pencils [WHSmith], student quality watercolours and similar. WHSmith make some very good brush sets that are cheaper than the brand leaders. You can use hair spray in place of fixative, newspaper for drawing in charcoal and chalks,off cuts of corregated card for acrylic [you can make cheaper using PVA glue and powder to learn techniques]

My parents paid for some classes at my then local art school from when I was 12, they had to really scrimp to do that for me, I campaigned to be taught art at the college at school for years until the school finally gave in and let me have one whole day a week at art college. I have to say that was purely pupil led on my behalf and I did draw on every flat surface and decorated my school books at school.

Its unlikely however she will ever earn much in art so she does need to keep her options open. I ended up using art in youth and community work.

Please can you tell me why your daughter has been classed as talented in art - it will help in making suggestions in supporting her.

taken4granted · 21/02/2011 20:36

Sorry not to have replied Ive been busy for a while - shes been classed as Talented because her drawings are very detailed and are significantly better than any of her peers - more like something drawin by a child 3 - 4 yrs older than she is - Ive tracked down a local artist who is teaching her to use paints and "draw" with a paint brush rather than just pencil which is coming along - I have taken her to art galleries etc etc and as we live nr lae district often take her out to take in the scenery which she loves and appreciates. DOnt worry I have my feet on ground and dont expect her to earn millions from her art but thats not to say I dont encourage her in it as she really is talented and would hate it to go to waste I also recognise that she needs formal quals as well - and who knows one day she might find a career which combines her art in some form or another or she may not..... I could also win the lottery ( if i bought a ticket)

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igetmorelovefromthecat · 23/03/2011 22:49

My daughter is 6 and has just been added to the G&T register for her art abilities. As far as I can tell all this means is that next term there will be a day where all the arty kids on the register are going to get together and spend the day doing a big art project together.

Will be interesting to see whether or not other opportunities become available to her as she moves up through the school.

Idratherbemuckingout · 01/04/2011 10:05

I was born in the late fifties and was at primary school from 1963 to 1969. My sister and I were far and away the most gifted artists in the school, called upon to do all wall illustrations etc, always winning national art prizes (run by some crayon manufacturers I think). I won a talking doll, I remember, my sister a bike etc.
No-one at school ever helped us. Our mum did, but no-one else.
At secondary school I was singled out in my first year to draw other things to the rest of the class, but I soon developed a hatred of art, as it was never focused around being actually able to draw. Imagination seemed to be the only thing needed to make weird models etc which I loathed doing. My love of pure simple drawing was smothered and I gave it up sneakily when I made my O level choices, not telling my mum I had done so.
I can still draw, of course, and rather regret the stultifying atmosphere at school that led me to give it up so early.
My sister, two years my junior, had different teachers, her ability to draw was encouraged, and she went on to art school, as is her daughter about to do.
My own son is just as good at art as we were, if not better, but he is doing a physics degree now, although practises his art in private. He did want to become an animator as his skills lie not just in drawing but in many other artistic spheres as well (far more varied in his accomplishments than ever I was despite my having been the best in my primary school by about a mile), but he decided that phsyics gave him a more intellectual challenge.
Had he been at school now (he is now 22) he would have been identified as G and T in every subject (IQ over 145) but he wasn't. He also has asperger's syndrome, which was only identified when he was nearly 16, as he lost his father at 8 and all problems he had were laid at the door of his father's early death.
None of this has held him back.
At 7 he was awarded a Government Assisted Place, but this was snatched back at 11 by the Labour abolition of them. When we moved to France he went to school there and became fluent in french, passing all the necessary exams, until deciding he wanted to do A levels not the Bac.
He succeeded in them, living not with us, but with his older brother in a flat and looking after himself.
You do not need to be on a G and T register to succeed, even if odds can seem stacked against you at times.
We all managed without it, although I have to say that we were streamed at my school, so maybe my whole class now would be classed as G and T. There were 100 in each school year and I was in the A stream of 3 classes. We were all bright, we all went on to Grammar School and we all did well.
Bring back bigger schools and streaming - then big classes do not matter because you are with your intellectual peers.
There were 40 in my class and we were all gifted.

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