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Period pain in young daughter.

39 replies

diddl · 04/04/2010 08:27

She´s 12 & just about in tears.
OK,she´s a bit of a drama queen,but even so.
Is there anything I can get from chemist specifically for this?

Also, any herbal/tea recommendations?

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flamingtoaster · 05/04/2010 14:35

mears - I'm thinking of trying this for my daughter. Do you have to take the "normal" dosage for two days prior to the period to get the pain relief?

diddl · 05/04/2010 15:16

Well, just to get to everyone who was kind enough to reply.

As I said she took a paracetamol yesterday morning at about 8am, laid around complaining quite a bit until lunch.

Then had a friend round 3-7,so was busy tidying room before that.

Didn´t take any more tablets yesterday and have had no problems since.

Will keep an eye on it all though in future.

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mears · 05/04/2010 17:33

flamintoaster - what my DD does is take a Buscopan going to bed at night and then again in the morning. Usual dose is 3 times a day. When her period actually starts she takes buscopan 3 times a day, plus Brufen plus paracetamol in between. Her worse day is the first one and after 24 hours she doesn't need the brufen abd buscopan. If she misses it before her period she is crippled with pain and vomits.

flamingtoaster · 05/04/2010 22:01

Thank you very much, mears. My daughter has terrible pain some months and vomits too so I'll try this. It's great to hear of something that works so well.

Vigilanteawarenessraiser · 06/04/2010 00:37

Hi Mears and Flamingotoaster (and sorry for hijack, Diddl)
I hope you don't mind my writing this - I don't want to be overly interfering, or scaremongering, or seem as if I'm trying to impose my own agenda on your situation.
I am just concerned about your daughters' symptoms, given my own experience and what I now know, so I've decided to write this anyway and hope you'll read this and make allowances for me if you think I'm any of the above.

As severe dysmenorrhoea in adolescents is strongly associated with endometriosis, I was wondering if you'd consider trying to get your DDs referred to an endometriosis specialist (not just a general gynaecologist) to be assessed properly? A lot of GPs and general gynaecologists still believe that endo is rare in teenagers, but specialists have been finding very high rates in girls with symptoms, and have been moving rather quickly away from the view that severe pain is just a variation of 'normal', and towards the opinion that there is often an underlying cause. The rates of endometriosis have recently been estimated at between 4 and 10% of all teenage girls (off the top of my head), so even if you take the lower estimate, it's a common condition. A British study recently found endometriosis in over 70% of symptomatic teenage girls (can't find reference), and the ME programme in NZ, which has been screening girls on the basis of symptoms, are finding rates of over 90% in girls with symptoms (see the table here). You can check their symptom list here.

The reason this concerns me so much (ovemuch, you might be thinking) is that I was exactly like your daughters at their age, and it upsets me to think of any girl going through what I went through. I used to be in such pain I used to vomit, and I was on heavy-duty painkillers to cope with it. I was told at the time that it was normal, and that genuine gynaecological problems are so rare in adolescents that they really don't need to be taken into account. I finally got diagnosed at 26, one year after the illness had already caused serious damage to my bowel, probably due to lack of treatment. This has left me with lifelong problems, and is something else that I'd prevent happening to anyone else if I could. And then I found out that everything I'd ever been told about severe period pain being normal and nothing to worry about was wrong. And, though there's more specialist awareness these days, things on the ground have hardly changes since I was 16, 12 years ago. Lots of gynaecologists still think it's a really rare condition in teenagers. So I made up my mind to try to raise awareness and help other girls who might have the same thing.

I can honestly say that it's not having the illness that's unpleasant and frightening, so much as having to cope with it without a diagnosis. And then having to cope with the physical effects of years of not having been treated. If you get your DDs referred to an endometriosis specialist and they turn out not to have it, you can feel relieved and curse me for having worried you and I will feel very guilty. But if either of them do turn out to have it, early diagnosis could be a Godsend. Painkillers will only treat the symptoms - meanwhile, the disease is continuing and the pelvis is filling up with scar tissue which fuses the organs together. Some women seem to muddle through their whole lives without a diagnosis, and don't seem to suffer significant effects apart from pain, which is bad enough. But some end up with major problems - bowel control, like me, fertility problems, even problems giving birth normally if they do get pregnant, as their pelvises are full of scar tissue. Early treatment can make a lot of difference - and there is good treatment available. I will never know if it would have made a difference to me.

Hope I haven't scared you too much. Please, bear all this in mind. I won't post on your threads again if you'd rather I didn't.

BitOfFun · 06/04/2010 01:36

I apologize for not reading the whole thread- but please don't think that half a paracetamol will do anything. She needs the proper dose, an adult one- and nurofen is better.

mears · 06/04/2010 11:52

Vigilanteawarenessraiser - thank you for your post. It hasn't scared me and it is something I have considered. Had the Buscopan not worked so well then I would have asked for a gynaecological referral. I myself had the same symptoms as my DD when I was her age and my periods were much better as a I got older and certainly 'cured' of pain when I had my first child. My mother also suffered very painful periods too. I wouldn't want to expose her to gynaecological examinations just yet being so young, but certainly would have her seen if her symtoms got worse. I feel reassured that her pain and vomiting is only on the first day if we don't get the buscopan on board in time. I would expect that endometriosis would give her symtomds throughout her period?

Vigilanteawarenessraiser · 06/04/2010 12:08

Mears - thanks for replying.
The symptoms can vary a lot from person to person - but I only ever got the severe pain and vomiting on the first day of my period, and I do think a lot of teenage sufferers are like that. I never had to spend the whole of my period in bed, or had pain beforehand, or the non-cyclic pain that some sufferers get at that age. A lot of specialists are now trying to promote the idea that severe pain is not normal, and if you're having to take that amount of painkillers, it is worth investigating it.

I can see why you might not want her going through examinations so young - my mother would have said the same, I'm sure, and I would have found it very difficult at that age. THe only reason I suggested it is that I now think it would have been preferable to what I ended up with, but I can see I might not think that retrospectively if I hadn't become ill, IYSWIM.

It is normal with endometriosis for the severe dysmenorrhoea to let up once the person gets a bit older - typically late teens/20s for a teenage sufferer, I think. In my case, everyone then said, 'see, we were right, you have grown out of it' and actually it was just the lull before the other symptoms then hit me.
If you and your mother have had the bad periods, I can see why it's less of a big deal. My mother also had bad periods, though a bit less bad than mine (she didn't used to vomit) and because of that she just assumed that it didn't mean anything - I've always wondered if she's one of the many women with undiagnosed, less severe endo as there is a genetic link and it's often seen in mother/daughter or sibling pairs.

mears · 06/04/2010 12:20

THank you for your information. I certainly won't dismiss any continuing symptoms. My sisters 4 daughters have all gone on the pill as they had terrible symptoms. I wanted to avoid doing that however would that be a good thing for endometriosis or mask it?

flamingtoaster · 06/04/2010 16:50

Thanks Vigilanteawarenessraiser it's always best to be informed of all possibilities. Like mears I was like my daughter when young - and the problems resolved completely after I had my son. We have to see our doctor about something else before long so we will certainly also ask about endometriosis.

Vigilanteawarenessraiser · 06/04/2010 23:28

Mears - potentially both! It's used as a first-line treatment. I'm not sure what the current recommendations are, but think some people are having success with running packs together for months without any pill-free week (think this is now officially sanctioned, but not sure). Effectively it just arrests the endometriosis and the scar tissue doesn't continue to build, but it can re-activate quickly if the pill is stopped. Some people find the pill doesn't help at all - some types of endometriosis can resist this sort of treatment. Some people can get relief just by using the pill normally like a contraceptive, and some people go on it young and don't realise until they come off it years later that they have a problem.

Flamingo - hope I didn't sound too scary.

mears · 08/04/2010 00:02

Thanks. My out of 4 of my sisters, the only one who went on the pill as a teenager had fertility problems. I know that is not scientific but it worries me.

zazen · 08/04/2010 00:10

Humm, have you tried acupuncture with her?

I used to have KILLER periods - my first period at 13 saw me laid up in bed for a week, beeding profusely and they really went on from there. Turns out I have a retroverted uterus - it points into my back, not flipped forward like most (90%) every other woman.

A trip to a gynea is highly recommended. They will make a quick diagnosis and offer help and suggest treatment.

Your Dd may becoming anaemic so I'd get her bloods checked also.

HTH, it's tough, so hugs to you both.

zazen · 08/04/2010 00:11

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