Reaction to swine flu jab. What should i do??

[didsnbump]

My 2 year old ds had his swine flu jab on thursday. He woke up coughing yesterday morning with a very runny nose and by last night had a temperature and didnt want to eat.
He asked to go to bed which he has never done and only a few hours after a 2 hour and a half hour afternoon nap.
He went to bed but coughed non stop for an hour and a half even though we tried varius things to stop it. He coughed so much he was sick in the end.
We got him up and he then came to bed with us later and slept with us.
Today he has a temp still, has eaten and drunk hardly anything and been back to bed twice.
What should i do??

Poor little chap. Sounds horrid, but I would treat as any other nasty cold/flu (how high is his temp?) and tbh, that may well be what it is, rather than a reaction.

My dd2 had a slight temp the evening of her jab, but runny noses and coughs are symptoms of an active virus rather than an immune response, afaik. Very bad luck.

Also, it takes a couple of weeks for the flu jab to create immunity to the virus, so I'm afraid its still very possible to catch flu just before or just after it

Hope he's better soon, take him to out of hours if you're worried about his temp or general state.

Oh its NEVER the vaccine.

B.S.

Practical help, the vaccine has toxins in it, squalene, thimoserol amougst others. The body often reacts with flu and cold like symtoms when the toxin levels are to high.

You need to clear out the toxins and try not to use calpol at all if you can. The fever is the bodys way of ridding the toxins from the body, if you reduce it you will hamper the whole process.

Do not give cough medicine give lemon and honey or a spoon of honey will help. Get vitamin c into your child as much as you can, try not to use orange juice as it will cause more mucus, use apple juice, lemone juice. stay away from mucus forming foods, milk, dairy while your DC is ill and feed him with clear broths, chicken if he will eat it, if he does not want to eat dont bother, just make sure he gets lots of clear fluids.

Just incase anyone wants to say there are no toxins in vaccines, I can prove it. As I have a copy of the manufacturers leaflets saying just how much thirmerosol and squalene are in it.

Yes QE - very tiny amounts.

Would you DRINK IT. I think not.

Surely if he has a temp you should bring it down with Calpol? You know that children can suffer seizures if temp is not brought down?

Why not get advice from NHS direct, op, if you are worried.

No, it would taste disgusting. But honestly, we all come into contact with far greater quantities of "toxins" every day of our lives. I'm getting sick and tired of hearing scare stories about the swine flu vaccine tbh - people need to get a grip. I bet Edward Jenner's turning in his grave.

OP - your DS will be fine. Like Elibean said, he more than likely came into contact with a cold or flu before he had the jab. Try not to worry.

How is he now didsnbump?

QE - I don't think it's helpful or appropriate to frighten the OP with opinions about the safety of the vaccine right now.

I did not comment on the safety of the vaccine, I said it had toxins in it, this is a true statement.

You body reacts to the 'toxins/adjuvents' to create an immune response.

Are you a medical professional QE?

No - can you not admit there are toxins in the vaccine...or is that too much info.

If the OP wanted a medical opinio is she really going to get one here, are we after real help or pats on the back and it will be alright, as far as I can see I am the only person to offer any practical advice, even the NHS are now saying caution with the use of calpol, I have only given practical tried and tested advice for sickness. The OP can make of it what she will.

I'm sorry but that is misleading QE. The adjuvant is there so that a small dose of deactiviated virus can be given instead of a live vaccine - it improves the immune response, it doesn't create the response. And in the case of the swine flu vaccine, the thiomersal is there as a preservative as a tiny proportion of the excipient (what gives the vaccine bulk). Think about all the preservatives in the food you eat every day.

I'm not an expert, but I can read product leaflets and use Google as well and this is my understanding.

What you said is no differnt from what I said TBH. They use the adjuvents to ramp up the response when they are low on the virus.

The problem is that the immune reponse of the body is a finely tuned system and is not used to having foriegn bodies injected into it.

The body deals with diesease through a the lymph system, like through the mouth, nose or skin. This gives the body time to prepare the correct response, when a vaccine is put in it bypasses this system and the body reacts diffently.

Its all well and good if you are one of the so-called lucky ones who is OK, but some of us are NOT ok, and the problem is that when we are not ok we are brushed under the carpet and ridiculed, like how dare we not be ok.

One size does not fit all, and collateral damge or you have to cracke a few eggs to make an omlette is not acceptable when you or your child is the egg that cracked.

ALL I want people to do is to be HAPPY AND INFORMED ABOUT VACCINES. Not silenced becuase others dont want to know.

I'm sorry if you've had problems yourself, but the fact is that 99.9% of people are OK, and scaremongering makes those people less likely to be vaccinated - against all kinds of things, not just swine flu. There are also people out there who are most definitely not OK if they come into contact with these diseases, and they are put at significant risk by the worried well IMO.

As a society we are way too blase (can't find an accent) about diseases and vaccinations these days and we forget how darned lucky we are.

And I do agree with Sasamaxx that it is highly inappropriate to engage in such scaremongering when the OP has already had her child vaccinated. Someone did the same to me after I'd taken up the vaccine at 3 months pregnant - after much soul searching I might add - and it was not appreciated, I can tell you.

And FWIW, all those so-called health professionals who are refusing to be vaccinated to protect their own patients are downright irresponsible if you ask me.

Well said Gaelicsheep - really good post!

I doubt that you are sorry, really.

Really most people dont give a damn.

I suggest you get the vaccine package insert and read it. There are risks with all vaccines, and most vaccines are not tested on pregnant women.

When you recieve a vaccine is legally assumed that you have read and understood the risks and the benifits of recieving a vaccine.

EVEN the manufacturers know there are associated risks.

My problem is that you are deemed a scaremonbger if you actually DARE to tell about what it says on the manufacturers leaflet.

There are toxins in vaccines and there is NO getting away from that.

I never tell anyone not to get vaccinated, I tell them to be happy with what they are doing.

Your body your choice.

One day you will need truth, I just hope someone will speak it to you, because shutting down debate seems to be a national pastime.

I hope you never face the brick walls of vaccine damage, because when it happens to you the doctors tell you to 'go away there is nothing we can do' then you are on your own.

Do you think that the vaccine is a conspiracy then question? I must admit that I was surprised that the nutters hadn't reached this section of MN yet. I can take the vaccine stuff however.

BUT to tell someone not to give a child with a temperature calpol over the internet is downright insane.

Of course people are sorry that you had problems with a vaccine.
Which vaccine was it?

Vaccines save millions of lives - we need to remember that.

You're right QE, I couldn't give a flying about anyone or anything as long as me and my own are OK - is that what you want to hear?

You think I hadn't picked up in all the endless pseudo-science on the internet that this vaccine hasn't been tested on pregnant women? You think I didn't do my research or think long and hard about putting it into my body? And I have read the vaccine insert - I'm not a complete moron. I have a scientific background, I have a brain and I make my own decisions based on the facts as I see them. I don't follow the crowd crying conspiracy at every turn.

The trouble with your argument is I've heard it all before. There's a good saying in law - hard cases make bad law. It's exactly the same principle here. Decisions have to be made for the good of the majority - unpalatable for some, but true. Or perhaps you think that the entire vaccination campaign should have stopped decades ago because of the risks to a tiny minority of the population? I'm actually rather glad my DS isn't growing up facing the risks of polio, diptheria, whooping cough, etc. etc. Perhaps that makes me selfish, but I don't think so.

didsnbump - how is your DS?

Sorry to hijack my DD had the injection yesterday and I think has had a reaction to it was quite quiet yesterday afternoon and drained of colour and was sick in the night. Showed no signs of cold/flu or other illness before then. What's the best thing to do I have slight panic in me about it in the first place so this is not good. What do I do? How long would the reaction last roughly? TIA