Why did you choose not to immunise your child?

[tulip27]

I am a practice nurse about to undergo a course with the dept of health about childhood immunisations.The pre course info wants us to look at why some parents are opting not to vaccinate their children.

So this is your chance to have your say. Tell me why you decided against it and I can out your cases forward at the course.

I wondered when you would turn up! Was afraid you'd disappeared over the DM fiasco...

Pretty much what purpleduck said. DS is our first child, he is 13 months today and has had no vaccinations so far. I doubt he will have any. Both DP and I are adamant about that.

Kerry, am horrified by the damage to your sons arm. I really hope it gets better soon, you must be so angry...

Hello thumbwitch.

Didn't pay much attention to DM scandal to be honest. Am very busy with work stuff so not around much not that I post a great deal anyway.

Can't resist being asked by a HCP what my reasons are for not vaccinating though! (Shame they never seem to ask me in RL before starting 'standard lecture for negligent parents part 1').

Too many jabs in one overloading the immune system and hence limiting parents choices. that is it is impossible to give jabs separately - ie Pedicel, MMR... UNLESS you can afford to fork out for themn separately which costs a fortune and is beyond most people's purses.

We have the densest vaccinations schedule in Europe.

Apologies if points alreadymade, not read all discussion.

Where is the OP? I wonder why she was so interested in why we didn't vaccinate and then buggered off.

oh Kerry, sorry to hear your boy's arm is still so bad - I hope your GP is going to report it as an adverse reaction but I bet he doesn't, he sounded too dismissive. Now see, if he DID report it as he should, and so did every other GP, we might all find that the "10%" was actually a lot higher...

There are a number of other reasons children could be predisposed to vaccines, these are Mitochondrial dysfunction, bowels diseases, prem babies, a family history of autism, crohns and the list goes on. Wakefield did only say that he believed there were a number of children that could have reactions or have bowel probs, autism etc after the MMR, he did NOT say ALL children. The Dept of Health has done its usual of blowing everything out of proportion and treating another health professional like a pariah. What would have happened if they had found out that this vaccine was causing all this damage and then found out that Wakefield did not report his findings??? Yeah the proverbial would have really hit the fan then!!

Dear Practice Nurse. Ask about Mitochondrial Dysfunction. T8 cells damage when there is a leak of them through the colonic barrier after recieving 2 vaccines measles and mumps together that are both metaboloised through the gut causing lymph enlargement and measles "pitting". I bet they will not have the answers. Can you also ask why we cannot predetermine who may be predisposed to reaction to the MMR, it is only a matter of a questionairre!!

Oh and can you also ask how it is possible to justify talk of herd immunity and such like when practically no effort is being made to screen for individuals who react badly to vaccines?

I would really like to hear the answer to that one because I could do with a good laugh after having dealt, for 5 years, with the damage done to my child by a routine vaccine.

Had a simple questionnaire system been in place my child would almost certainly not have been vaccinated. 5 years on and nothing has changed.

Please, please do come back with your answers OP!

Both of my dd's have been vaccinated but if i have any more children i would be tempted not to.

Dd1's first vaccinations made her bleed a lot and 2 years latter she still had a pea sized lump in her thigh.

Dd2 has reacted to all the vaccinations, she had the MMR booster 2 weeks ago and we ended up in A&E the next day as she reacted badly to it.

Both my girls have Autism and i often wonder if the MMR had something to do with dd2's Autism. I just couldn't take the risk again with another child.

I was not vaccinated as a child (because of the link to epilepsy) and i have survived Measles, Mumps, whooping cough and Rubella.

DD due HPV jab but after doing research (as some of you might have read on other subjects) I will be waiting for another 2 years until more long term research has been done.

DD had her baby jabs and they were not a problem. I researched the MMR and was uneasy to have her done at the correct time. Because I had an understanding Dr and he knew I had done my research he suggested I wait until she was 18 months old. She was actually 19 months and had no side effects.

However she has never had her booster. This is because
a) I refuse to give her something she might not need because it is cheaper to give it to ALL children than to do a simple blood test to see if she is 1 of the 10% who's first jab did not work.
b) There was at the time (9yrs ago) information that lead me to believe that it could cause arthritic and fertility problems in her teens. (i am unaware if this is still the case)
c) Both my doctor and a pediatrician who i was refered to by another dr agreed that routine blood tests every 4 years would be sufficient to check immunity.

She had a blood test done last year and was fine.

i do agree that if i had a baby now I would possibly delay again the jabs as I do believe it is too much too soon for young children & babies.

link to tragedy of HPV vaccine - I have included it here because it links to the MHRA yellow card reporting system and gives some figures for the HPV vaccine.
Not worth it, imo. And certainly not for boys (the next stage)

and to show I am evenhanded on this score here is the update on the girl concerned

I would, however, dispute the assertion that the vaccine and her death are not linked - clearly the vaccine added to the stress on her body that the tumour was already causing.

The government have lost public confidence on vaccinations. Blair refused to come clean about Leo. Single vaccines were dliberately made almost impossible to get hold of to ensure Mmr choice of the govt based on price was the only choice.,. Such arrogance! The government want cheap vaccinations and accept that some kids will be damaged by them. Parents are rightly cncerned that the sacrificial children will be their own.

It defies common sense that it is sensible to pump mercury into children, surely?

never mind the mercury, as most vaccines for children no longer contain thiomersal, and the MMR never did - what about the aluminium? Linked with Alzheimer's disease apart from anything else, it is a toxic metal that is very difficult to excrete once in the system. And it is part of many vaccines.

I find it astounding that we have swapped one heavy metal (mercury) for another. This is a favourite trick of vaccine manufacturers. They take the offending vaccine off circulation, make little or NO changes and then relaunch the SAME vaccine and herald it as the new life saver. Although I am pro-vaccination and work as a nurse pratitioner in a single vaccine and private GP clinic, I think there is a lot to be said for CONSIDERED vaccination. Whilst measles can kill Rubella can maim the unborn, what the hell do we need mumps for. Infertility from mumps is so low it is not even recordable and more boys have secondary infertility through a kick to the unmentionables than mumps and this scare tactic of the Dept of Health talking of death stats is appalling. 64 people have died from MUMPS RELATED illness since 1930!!!! Why do we need it. Our children are reared in a sterile bubble type world now with fears of infection at every turn....how did the human race survive until now without being pristine clean!!!!!?????

One more thing, whilst I'm on my soap box!! Leo Blair had single vaccines in Carcassone in France.

One rule for us, one rule for them

My DSs are now 19 and 16, and they have never received any vaccinations. When DS1 was born a chiropractor told me to look into the literature before I made any decisions on vaccinations, and I did that in detail. For all of the reasons listed by other posters, I decided not to vaccinate, but had to be very very adamant over the years in refusing HVs etc. I was actually told I was a bad mother.
19 years ago my position was a rare one, but I think it has been vindicated by time. My DSs have rarely had ANY illnesses, and have never had antibiotics. I think they are strong and healthy because their immune system was not compromised by unnecessary invasion of toxic vaccines and their by-products and preservatives.
All these years later I am now trying to conceive again (new marriage). I would definitely follow the same path and am extremely confident, having had long experience, that I am NOT risking the child's health. I think I am promoting it.