MMR

[luckyjames]

I'm trying to decide whether to give my son the singles or triple vaccine. Some people choose not to vaccinate at all while others choose the triple vaccine and some choose the singles. I'd like to hear from everyone whatever your choices were and the outcome. I would like to hear from parents who believe the triple vaccine has damaged their child. Any parents believe single vaccines have damaged their child? I hear all the time that single vaccines are not safe but has never heard from anyone who has had a problem with them! Many thanks for those who reply.

mmrred you say that single vaccines have been researched less than MMR. Have they?

Quite apart from research, single vaccines are older, so have been in circulation for longer.

There is a single mumps vaccine in existence, but it is very hard to get hold of. Why is this? (rhetorical question)

Why is it the case that the choice of single vaccines or MMR is not there? Why should I be forced to give my child the triple vaccine if my choice would be a committment to a course of single vaccines? I have never had a satisfactory answer to this question and I don't believe that I ever shall.

MMRed do you think the cause of regression into autism in these cases was the vaccine?

Which are the high profile cases you refer to?

Thanks for answering, I'm really finding this very interesting.

I was thinking of Hannah Poling, mmrsceptic. In her case it appears that mitochondrial dysfunction was the cause? But MMR the trigger. But I am in no way an expert and have no idea if this applies to single vacs as well, or if not/why not.

Hannah Poling was more about multiple vaccines than MMR. She had nine in one day, I believe many containing thiomersal. It was not high profile at the time: received hardly any coverage. However people with an interest in the issue made sure it became known about.

Hannah Poling had no issues with her mitochondrial disorder until she was vaccinated. The United Mitochondrial Disease Foundation said "There are no scientific studies documenting that childhood vaccinations cause mitochondrial diseases or worsen mitochondrial disease symptoms."

There is a lesser known case of a child with autism spectrum disorder, Bailey Banks, where it was ruled that "the MMR vaccine at issue actually caused the conditions from which Bailey suffered and continues to suffer."

You are unusual. The official view is that there is no evidence that autism is caused by MMR. How refreshing that you are more open minded.

What I don't understand is how if you accept that MMR can cause autism that given such circumstantial evidence of thousands of parents saying they witnessed regression after the jab, along with an astonishing increase in the number of autism diagnoses/statements since MMR was introduced, you are able to say with confidence that -- yes it does happen, but it's rare.

How can you say that?

Leonie don't get too worried yet- ds4 is 17 months on the 7th and has lost a lot of what I would have said were definitely pre-ASD signs in the last few weeks; we were given up to 8% chance of him being asd due to two siblings, familial links etc- but keeping fingers crossed and mroe optimistic than we used to be (also have a very non-ASD ds2)

Nah-

US:

ds1- AS / HFA

ds2- NT, probable dyspraxia

DS3- ASD, HFA buit presents as more severe in certain ways

DS4- ?

me- AS undiagnosed

DH- dyslexia, depressive history

MIL- OCD

Mum (mine)_ Undiagnosed AS

Cousin- Undiagnosed HFA

Grandad- Undiagnosed ASD

And no doubt you coulod go on- even the oones with no actual ASD haev realted disorders or alternatively behavioural stuff (FIL and his old transbestitie habits)

Hannah Poling has becaome more high profile due to the multi-party action in the usa plus Halvorsen's latest book?

I don't think a highly polarised debate helps anyone, plus I always take the view that I have plenty to learn - about everything. Medical science is not an absolute either - research is another word for learning.

I think the pro-vaccination lobby harms itself with the refusal to investigate all possible reactions to jabs (although I don't accept that all adverse reactions are ignored), just as the anti-vaccination lobby is damaged by scaremongering and frankly, ludicrous claims that the Govenrment put mercury in vaccines but deny it because they have a 'mercury lake' they have to dispose of, or that there are 'undetectable levels' of harmful substances in vaccines. (Both real examples, BTW)

Please do give me a link to the evidence of 'thousands of parents saying they witnessed regression'.

No one is polarising the debate here MMRed. I am not scaremongering about vaccines or making claims of a mercury lake. Just searching for consistency, cogency, that kind of thing.

To be honest, when we are talking about scaremongering, I really think you need to put your own house in order. I do not say to other people "do not vaccinate". I say "inform yourself". But you are saying to other people "vaccinate or put other children at risk".

When you are telling people what to do perhaps it would be more honest to say up front that you are no expert and have plenty to learn yourself.

I know what research is.

Do you not know about the litigation by the parents of 1400 children in the UK to the effect that their children regressed after MMR? You must, surely. And there is a much bigger group in America.

why vaccinate against mumps?