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So I have read the Jade Goody thread and I'm going to ask doctor for a smear. Will I get it?

43 replies

CharCharGabor · 04/02/2009 22:08

I'm only 22 and I know the policy is that they should start at 25. But I've got a DD so am obv sexually active. Now I've read that I'm worried, not for any particular reason but still worried. If I go and explain my concerns do you think I'll get a smear?

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Twinklemegan · 04/02/2009 22:42

That's interesting though MJM about the abnormal smears. I didn't realise that.

Ivykaty44 · 04/02/2009 22:42

I was having smears before the age of 25, in fact I am sure that I had had more than one. I got pg with dd at 24 and had to delay having a smear.

It isn't until I have read on here tonight that it has become apparent that some places stop you having a smear before you are 25 - I am in the Midlands so perhpas it goes on either area or gp?

MrsJamesMartin · 04/02/2009 22:42

GPs and FPC don't make up the rules for this. Its the dept of health.

bringonthetrumpets · 04/02/2009 22:47

very interesting that hormonal changes can cause abnormal results. don't women have hormonal changes throughout their entire child bearing lives?

newlysinglemummy · 04/02/2009 22:48

I had a smear when I was 18 as I was sexually active, I'm pretty sure your doctor or nurse will do one for you.

PortAndLemon · 04/02/2009 22:48

Mmm, but the DoH don't have a rule that says that someone under 25 can't have a smear even if they've had symptoms that suggest a smear is required (as in CharleeheartsherChains's case)? That appears to be down to her GP.

CharleeheartsherChains · 04/02/2009 22:49

Well my other doctors/nurses/health porfessionals wouldn't but i am hoping my new gp ill, he has done other things for me that my last doctors wouldn't (at this point Charlee reminds everyone to get thier minds out of the gutter - thanks)

MrsJamesMartin · 04/02/2009 22:50

Of course, the thinking is though that some younger women will still be settling down after finishing puberty as may have been the case when women were given smears as soon as they started on the pill at 16 or so.

CharleeheartsherChains · 04/02/2009 22:51

My doctors will do a smear if i have symptoms of something........

WorzselMummage · 04/02/2009 22:51

I had my first lot of precancerous cells removed when i was 19 This age 25 rule is bloody ridiculous.

Ivykaty44 · 04/02/2009 22:52

Ahh, so as I am a little older I take it the age thinkg has come in in the last 16 years to help prevent screening and getting the patient worried as it shows up as abnormal when it isn't? I do know that mine came back as irregular but as I was by then pg they said they would do another one ater the baby was born - which was fine.

CharleeheartsherChains · 04/02/2009 22:52

It is shocking since i have been sexually active since i was 14 and i have had 2 children and a family history.....

MrsJamesMartin · 04/02/2009 22:52

Yes Charlee they will, and should, if you have suspicious symptoms. I said that originally.

CharleeheartsherChains · 04/02/2009 22:54

Sorry MJM i read P&L's post wrong, i thought she had said that they wouldn't do a smear even if there were symptoms, i now realise that isn't what she said...

Sawyer64 · 04/02/2009 23:10

Research that has been done has suggested that women under 25 are less likely to get preCancerous Cells,but due to being Sexually Active,and more frequent change of partners,are more at risk from STI's/STD's.

As has been said,if you had any abnormal bleeding,Discharge etc. these would be "Clinical Reasons" as to why you would need a Smear,and this would be acted upon by your Nurse or Doctor.You would not be refused a Smear on these grounds.

Also another factor which has lead to the change in Target Age ranges,is that before the age of 25 your Cervix (Neck of the womb) where the cells are taken from is still undergoing changes,and these changes due to "Immaturity" can cause the result to come back as "Abnormal" as they have changed since last smear or just look "different". You would then be sent an appointment for the Colposcopy Clinic to have an examination under a special "Microscope",which may lead to a Biopsy to be taken to be 100% sure the changes are "Normal".A Biopsy could then cause Scar Tissue or problems later during Pregnancy.

With all the statistics and Research it was just considered in the best interests of the patient not to Routinely take Smears until the Cervix is more "Mature",and because the risk at this age is Minimal. But there are always exceptions to the rule....

If you have a strong Family History of Cervical Cancer(it won't test(pick up cells) for Ovarian or Uterine Cancer)
If you have "Clinical" signs.
If you have already started having Smears before the age range was changed.
I hope this helps a little to clarify things.

Sawyer64 · 04/02/2009 23:14

Sorry if I'm repeating things you have said
MrsJM,but by the time I'd typed all that out lots of threads had been added and answered

BellaNoir · 05/02/2009 18:28

Would just like to add, If you have symptoms such as post-coital bleeding, that a cervical smear test is not the only test that a GP should do. Indeed as someone else mentioned earlier, it is a screening test not a diagnostic test. The GP should refer you to Gynaecology clinic for other appropriate investigations. i've known of patients who did have cancer but the GP was waiting for the test result - we do them pretty quickly and directly refer to colposcopy ourselves but the patients could have been seen even quicker if they'd been referred by the practice. Anyone one with those sort of symptoms can be referred as a 2 week wait.

to explain a bit further about what your cervical cells look like, I've copied from another post of mine:
The cervical epithelium matures in line with your hormones, a bit like the endometrium. At midcycle it's most mature and so the cells are easier to interpret.

Many women will have low grade changes/abnormalities which go away without needing treatment, that's why some people have follow up samples not colposcopy.
This is because the body can clear HPV infections given time. Some people don't clear the infection so quickly and the virus then can act to make the cells more abnormal. But this won't be the case for everyone. There's not a test available yet to be able to tell the difference between which would carry on to cancer and which wouldn't. That's why colposcopy and treatment is needed for these precancerous changes.
Part of puberty involves changes in the cervix. The increase in oestrogen causes the cervix to get bigger in volume and the cells inside the neck of the uterus (the endocervix) to be everted. Imagine pouting your lips outwards - the skin inside is really soft and not 'built' for being exposed to the outside. The same thing ahppens with the cervix. To adapt to its new acidic environment of the vagina, a process called Metaplasia takes place, and more durable thicker squamous skin grows in its place.
During this process the cells are really active and are difficult to interpret. Abnormal cells are also really active. In the lab we're looking the nuclei of the cells in great detail.
This common ground makes it more likely the under 25s could end up being overtreated for minor abnormalities that could go away on their own if give time.
The treatment usually a LLETZ or LEEP can have some fertility implications,so again, this could have major problems in the future for a younger woman.

As MJM and Sawyer said, it is a screening programme, for a whole population, and it needs to be used in the most cost-effective way.
Anyone who was already in the system when the changes to the age range were made, will usually have been kept on recall.

PurpleOne · 05/02/2009 19:01

I had HPV CIN II abnormal cells when I was just 18.
Good Lordy, if I'd left it to the recommended age, I might not even be here now.

I think it's shocking that that health officials are playing with our sexual health like this!

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