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I think this family looks podgy, pasty and generally unhealthy, yet...

180 replies

Anna8888 · 14/06/2008 09:34

the article describes the girl as being "in perfectly good health".

Opinions?

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ButterflyMcQueen · 14/06/2008 23:15

oh edam!

there is fussy and there is chocolate for breakfast

i do not believe that last sentence

i have few kids and one is always in a fussy phase. working through it is bloody hard work but worth it

i do judge the parents of ridiculously fussy eaters and yes i have had fussy eaters

edam · 14/06/2008 23:25

Well, French people eat pain au chocolat for breakfast...

Honestly, butterfly, there was nothing my mother did not try. And my sister defeated her at every turn. I kept very, very quiet during trial by omelette... was so scary to see my mother losing it at last (and she was bloody well entitled to be at the end of her tether).

edam · 14/06/2008 23:28

I am lucky, ds takes after dh and will eat pretty much anything. But I never assume it is down to superior parenting - it ain't! It's pure luck.

Catches me out when we have his friends round, though, I forget that other children are fussy little blighters and will object to anything other than white sliced bread or will react with horror to cherry tomatoes or regard hummus with suspicion etc. etc. etc.

cory · 14/06/2008 23:34

ButterflyMcQueen on Sat 14-Jun-08 23:15:36

"i do judge the parents of ridiculously fussy eaters and yes i have had fussy eaters"

So do you blame Tortoiseshell after what she's just told us?

I agree that it is quite possible that the mother of the chocolate eater has not tried everything possible- she looks as if she has quite an unhealthy diet herself, and 12 years seems a long time to wait before getting medical help. But I am sure there are other people who really have tried everything possible.

I don't agree that all phobias must necessarily be down to something wrong done by the parent. And I have friends whose daughters have turned out anorexic- despite all the other siblings in the families being fine, and despite the parents having a perfectly healthy attitude towards food and eating. It seems to be some inner insecurity that takes this peculiar form. I wouldn't be surprised if it isn't something similar with (at least some cases of) food phobia. It is just a reminder to the rest of us - with normally fussy dc's- of how much we have to be grateful for.

Blondilocks · 14/06/2008 23:45

I'm sure that a diet of just chocolate can't lead to very good health. Admittedly she looks far better than one would expect but you wonder how she's like internally & also strength wise due to lack of varied diet, vitamins etc.

tortoiseSHELL · 15/06/2008 08:48

Something else you need to bear in mind before you start judging (thanks for that ButterflyMcQueen ) is that it can be a very vicious circle.

Take ds1. He gets VERY stressed and anxious if given anything he either doesn't like, or is new. If left unchecked, the anxiety builds and builds until he is so stressed he cannot eat even the things he does like. So all his life I have been trying to make food more of an enjoyable thing, something that doesn't cause stress and anxiety. He simply cannot eat if in the least anxious, and this has been true from day1.

If I'm 100% honest, there is something I think I could have done differently, which is I think I have probably been a little over-anxious myself about getting him to eat. But given that he wouldn't feed for 48 hours after birth, the hospital kept doing blood sugar tests, he lost 15% of his birth weight and struggled to put it back - didn't regain his birth weight until 8 or 9 weeks, and having been born on the 91st centile, has struggled to keep above the 2nd, and that was with supplementary formula (I b/fed the other 2 with fewer problems, but mixed fed ds1 until 13 months), AND he was a first baby, with the underlying anxiety that goes with that, I defy anyone NOT to have been over anxious.

Perhaps if he was my 2nd or 3rd child I wouldn't have worried SO much, but everyone is anxious about their first child, and therefore it isn't a reason to judge.

For those of you judging me, I really have tried everything, and am now trying to just make food a pleasurable experience (this is what I have been doing for the last 2 or 3 years) and VERY gradually he has introduced one or two new things into his diet (sauce on pasta was a new one - he started accepting cheese sauce about 6 months ago, and about 3 weeks ago he had a tomato based sauce for the FIRST time).

I should say ds1 is 7 tomorrow, so he is not a toddler, he is fully aware of everything. His phobias are;

Meat. Will not eat any meat except fish fingers and mince. I did on a couple of occasions get him to try a tiny bite of really tender meat - 4 hours later the piece was still in his mouth because he just couldn't make himself swallow it.

Fruit/veg. Eats baked beans, peas, grapes. Drinks fruit smoothies. As he will now eat tomato based sauces, this means I can put other veg into it, and as he is nearly 7, will hopefully be able to reason with him that he has had them before. I know it's bad psychology to hide the food, but if I can get him used to the flavour without 'knowing', it will help.

Carbs. Eats rice, pasta, bread, toast. Hates potatoes. Will occasionally eat chips, but doesn't really 'like' them. Only likes ready salted crisps.

Dairy. Eats cheese, hates yoghurt. Drinks milk.

Cereals. This is probably where he eats the most - he has Cheerios, Rice Krispies, Shreddies. Doesn't like any 'chewier' ones like muesli or weetabix.

Drinks. Orange/apple/grape juice, fruit smoothies, milk, water.

Sandwiches - likes lemon curd, cheese, marmite. Doesn't like anything else including ham.

Biscuits - likes jammie dodgers.

Chocolate - likes smarties and chocolate buttons, and milky bars. Also Coco Pops bars.

Writing this list down, he has increased his diet quite significantly in the last year or so, and for his birthday tomorrow we are going out for a curry - he will have poppadoms, naan, rice. But he loves the experience of going out for an Indian, and one day I am hopeful that when he is relaxed enough he will try some of a curry. Last time he tried the coconut dip, and really liked it. I hope his list shows that someone who is food phobic (and I don't think that's too strong a word - he is afraid of foods he doesn't like or know, and this manifests itself as shaking, hysteria, vomiting) can eat a FAIRLY balanced diet, if limited, they don't all eat chocolate or McDonalds.

tortoiseSHELL · 15/06/2008 08:48

(Sorry that was SO long - this topic always gets me ranting!)

nkf · 15/06/2008 09:04

Tortoiseshell, I'd say that your boy is eating well. I really would. If you look at that diet, now it's written down, you will see that it's pretty good. He's touching all the main food bases so it's not nutritionally limited. It's only limited in terms of variety and that's the least important thing.
Has anyone judged you? It might be that you are judging yourself and you really don't have to.

edam · 15/06/2008 09:21

Btw, my little sister, the extreme faddy eater, is perfectly healthy as an adult. My mother once asked our GP to take a look at sister as she (mother) was soooo worried this child was living on thin air. GP watched my sister running around and said "That child has so much energy... what on earth are you worrying about?"

Tiggiwinkle · 15/06/2008 09:29

The people who judge on these threads absolutely infuriate me. Mt DS5 has Asperger's and has starved hinself for days on end at times. The child psychiatrist at the CDC told me that he does have to put children with autistic spectrum disorders on a drip when they develop phobias and will not eat.
So to say children will not starve themselves is a nonsense-you do not know what you are talking about.

tortoiseSHELL · 15/06/2008 09:30

nkf - I don't really 'judge' myself, but a few of the comments on here are very much 'I judge the parents of faddy eaters - they have caused it.' I agree, ds1 does now eat a fairly balanced diet. But if he goes to a friend's house, he is very unlikely to eat anything, simply because they are unlikely to 'hit' on the thing he happens to like. And part of my approach is not to ask people to cook special things for him, because there's always the chance he might try it, or even like it! But I do warn the parents in advance that he is fussy, and not to worry or fuss if he eats nothing.

He is atm in the kitchen getting his breakfast, and coughing and gagging at the sight of his sister's bowl which had muesli in it...which confirms for me it is a phobia and not an 'attention' thing. He is afraid of foods he doesn't like.

I think phobias CAN come out of nowhere - his other big fear was water on his face. He was dreadful in his swimming lessons for over a year - one drop on his face would mean floods of tears. This is after being taken swimming since he was 6 MONTHS OLD, water splashed on his face, water TIPPED OVER HIS HEAD in the bath to wash his face. And then one day, he suddenly realised it was ok, and never looked back.

tortoiseSHELL · 15/06/2008 09:32

Tiggiwinkle, I was going to mention that - ds1 has a friend who has autism, and their eating habits are VERY similar (he hasn't copied his friend, they haven't really eaten together, but I've talked to his mum), and I concluded it's probably in ds1's case some sort of 'super-sensitivity to taste'. This is partly because he often complains that things 'smell bad' - even very mild things like potato or banana.

Marina · 15/06/2008 09:36

TS, as you know, ds has a child in his class with multiple food phobias. He too has a sister who eats everything with sauce on for seconds. The school handle it very well, so do the other parents. His diet is so limited that we do make sure what he eats is on the menu at parties.
I have a tiny inkling of what it's like as ds, a very reasonable eater, cannot eat grapes or mushrooms. It's obvious that it's more than just not liking the food, witness his initial response to green beans and the usual outcome - beans eaten .
You know most people on here don't judge - so ignore the occasional aggressive, uninformed post.

Marina · 15/06/2008 09:38

Is it a texture thing too? Ds will eat proper mushroom soup but nothing where the texture of the mushrooms is still apparent.
Ditto grape juice - it is their "feel" in the mouth.

Tiggiwinkle · 15/06/2008 09:38

Yes tortoiseshell, my DS is very sensitive to taste, texture and smell. He hates the smell of cooked food and cannot eat his lunch in the school canteen for instance.
His diet is very restricted-the food he enjoys most is cereal, but that is limited as he was recently also diagnosed as coeliac. He will not eat any vegetables; only plain pasta (no sauce); no cooked meals as such. He does like yoghurt and milk (flavoured as milkshake); that is what has kept him going at times.

tortoiseSHELL · 15/06/2008 09:50

marina, you are very lovely you know! This is just about the only topic that really 'gets' me - maybe I should stick to 10yy and chickens!

Texture - definitely. Absolutely a factor.

Enid · 15/06/2008 10:08

Yes bloaty and lazy looking but typical of English people

They look like everyone in Yeovil - actually a bit better looking

"wont eat anything except chocolate"

how come people never have food phobias about chocolate?

'my daughter wont eat anthing except homegrown organic broccoli'

kinda never happens, does it

FluffyMummy123 · 15/06/2008 10:09

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Enid · 15/06/2008 10:12

yy

sorry but (and I havent read the rest of thread although am aware of it) that family speaketh bolleaux

FluffyMummy123 · 15/06/2008 10:12

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tortoiseSHELL · 15/06/2008 10:19

enid, ds1 does! Has to be a particular type, otherwise is too 'complicated', and he just won't eat it. 9 times out of 10 he 'can't' eat the sweets/chocolate given out on birthdays in class, or the cake at birthday parties. He is happier to go without (which he does).

Perhaps it's only people who only eat chocolate/McDonalds because of food phobia who make it into the Daily Mail...

Enid · 15/06/2008 10:20

dd2 hates ice cream

mums have spoken to me about it as they find it so odd

we can live with it tbh

tortoiseSHELL · 15/06/2008 10:23

Cod, I suspect it was something like;

'She can't just eat chocolate, let's try her with some cereal, that's at least got some fibre/vitamins in. If we pour some melted chocolate on it, then perhaps she will like it, and then we can start to reduce the melted chocolate.'

Ds1 USED to have ketchup on EVERYTHING savoury. It was the only way he could get it into his mouth.

I'm sure if dd was my eldest, and ds1 wasn't around, I would be very smugly agreeing with you all, as dd's diet is fantastically excellent, and I would no doubt congratulate myself on how well I had done. But it is luck. She enjoys all food, but I don't believe she tastes as strongly as ds1 does - she likes hot curries (and is only 4).

Actually my 3 are all different. Ds1 left to his own devices would eat only carbs, dd would eat a bit of everything, but mostly fruit and veg, and ds2 would just eat meat.

pointydog · 15/06/2008 10:24

lol @ beadle esque.

Enid · 15/06/2008 10:24

no I am not smug

have had various fussy eaters in the past esp dd1 who was so thin people commented a lot

but nothing but chcolate is just silly