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AIBU to think the medical profession has let my friend down by not telling her about sexual hallucinations?

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FloursandFlowers · 05/02/2025 21:55

My lovely friend, Jill, went into hospital for a procedure and left saying she was sexually assaulted during it. She reported it and there was an investigation.
Everyone in the room at the time was interviewed, nurses etc, and all said it didn’t happen and were adamant and consistent.
I have since learned that the anaesthetic she had can cause sexual hallucinations, where the patient believes they were awake throughout and recalls being abused, involving the area of the body involved in the procedure.
No one involved in the enquiry has told her this can happen. Am I wrong to think they should have? They may not have wanted to be that person who appears to doubt her but the impact of not saying anything seems even worse.
The denial and consistency in all the nurses stories is causing her more upset than the doctor abusing her, she feels gaslit and that a large group of women have conspired to cover up an assault they all witnessed.
Of course, as her friend I am supporting her. I know she is experiencing a terrible trauma.
If sexual hallucinations are a known (even though rare) side effect, shouldn’t an independent dr/anaesthetist have discussed this with her at some point? Instead of everyone repeatedly telling her it couldn’t possibly have happened, which is just horrendous.
I feel like it’s too late now, this happened a year ago and she would be furious if anyone suggested it now.
It’s all absolutely awful and having a terrible impact on her.

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Motherofdragons24 · 06/02/2025 00:56

Another ICU nurse here who administers anaesthetic drugs daily. Sexual hallucinations do happen, generally because while patients are sedated they are not completely anaesthetised so may have some awareness after the fact although how much and what about varies patient to patient. I have heard it all. Medical treatments often involve intimate care even if the procedure isn’t directly involving the genitals and/or the breasts, catheterisation and placing leads on the chest for example. So occasionally this can be misinterpreted as being violated when someone is sedated. It’s difficult to consent for such hallucinations as the brain is so complex and what someone remembers and how they interpret it is impossible to predict. I’ve heard people hallucinate that we the nurses are making porn in the bed space next to them. Sexual assaults, that the ICU is a bar (the nursing station) and all the staff are partying and drinking all night, patients thinking there’s an orchestra next to them (the alarms of the machines). It’s really difficult to explain all the possibilities. We do offer counselling to patients after discharge to help them understand their delirium. Maybe she could ask for something similar? I would say it’s very unlikely she was sexually assulted in a theatre full of staff but of course not impossible therefore should be investigated throughly which is sounds like it has been. Very sad for her but personally I would support her to let go of her anger and looking for someone to blame and try to understand that although a horrible experience she was safe and cared for.

FloursandFlowers · 06/02/2025 07:48

Sorry to disappoint but I am not some weird man making this up! What a strange conclusion to come to!!! Yes I have name changed for this, so I guess mods can see I am not a new poster.
55 year old woman, with a devastated friend, looking for guidance!

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FloursandFlowers · 06/02/2025 08:00

TaggieO · 06/02/2025 00:10

Even if there is a logical explanation, accusations still have to be taken seriously and investigated accordingly. There’s no way staff can turn around and say “you’re mistaken”, you must be able to see that. I’m glad there was an explanation, and I’m sorry your friend has had this terrible experience, but they absolutely were right to investigate.

Sorry if I have somehow implied that I think shouldn’t have investigated! I absolutely think they should, there was a very full investigation and rightly so!
The nurses were interviewed as part of that process.

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FloursandFlowers · 06/02/2025 08:03

FOJN · 05/02/2025 23:36

I worked on ICU for quite a few years and I was told this could happen even though I never had any direct experience of it. Ketamine was apparently the most common drug to cause it but by the time I worked in ICU it was no longer used.

I always wondered how trauma counselling would be provided to anyone unfortunate enough to experience this side effect. It's real to the patient even if it didn't happen in reality and I can't imagine how the outcome of the investigation must have added to her trauma.

I'm so sorry for her and I don't know what to suggest. If she has been told at the time that sexual hallucinations were actually a thing then she might have stood a chance of working through the trauma but I think you are correct in thinking that the suggestion now might just feel like a continuation of a cover up. Could you perhaps phone rape crisis and ask for advice?

Thank you so much for replying. I have suggested counselling. It is a great idea for me to call and ask their advice though, I will do that.
Thanks again.

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FloursandFlowers · 06/02/2025 08:07

Motherofdragons24 · 06/02/2025 00:56

Another ICU nurse here who administers anaesthetic drugs daily. Sexual hallucinations do happen, generally because while patients are sedated they are not completely anaesthetised so may have some awareness after the fact although how much and what about varies patient to patient. I have heard it all. Medical treatments often involve intimate care even if the procedure isn’t directly involving the genitals and/or the breasts, catheterisation and placing leads on the chest for example. So occasionally this can be misinterpreted as being violated when someone is sedated. It’s difficult to consent for such hallucinations as the brain is so complex and what someone remembers and how they interpret it is impossible to predict. I’ve heard people hallucinate that we the nurses are making porn in the bed space next to them. Sexual assaults, that the ICU is a bar (the nursing station) and all the staff are partying and drinking all night, patients thinking there’s an orchestra next to them (the alarms of the machines). It’s really difficult to explain all the possibilities. We do offer counselling to patients after discharge to help them understand their delirium. Maybe she could ask for something similar? I would say it’s very unlikely she was sexually assulted in a theatre full of staff but of course not impossible therefore should be investigated throughly which is sounds like it has been. Very sad for her but personally I would support her to let go of her anger and looking for someone to blame and try to understand that although a horrible experience she was safe and cared for.

Thank you so much, good to hear your professional experiences. I will continue suggesting counselling 👍

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FloursandFlowers · 06/02/2025 08:10

No I haven’t posted about this before, to those who asked.
Thank you for the helpful posts, I really do appreciate it.
I will of course, continue to support Jill, and do the best I can for her.

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Laiste · 06/02/2025 08:15

I hope she finds closure over this. You're a good friend :)

Thinking about this, i'm wondering if the specific sexual element of possible side effects aren't ... what's the word ... 'made much of', because a rouge care worker might be tempted to use it as a cover. If you know what i mean? 'Oh it was the medication - you signed to say you understood this ....' You know?

I'm wording it clumsily and just thinking out loud here. I've just never heard of this and was wondering why!?

Youngheartsalittletogetherness · 06/02/2025 08:47

Hi op not disappointed that you're a woman there are some strange threads in the night time traffic with sexual connotations so that's what made it seem disengenious.
I hope your friend gets the support she needs and your a good friend.
Apologies for doubting your motives for posting.

Lanawashington · 06/02/2025 09:07

BottomWibblyWob · 06/02/2025 00:43

First time poster - I AS the OP.

And it’s pretty obvious. A poster with a “poor friend” who’s apparently been through a whole complaints process and had an outcome just happens to need to post on MN, a site where just 2 days ago was flooded with IOC, to ask for opinions about sexual fantasies.

Advanced search means nothing if someone has changed their name. You could have been using mumsnet for 15 years, change username and then no history will show up. Why else would people post to say they've changed name if they post a lot of identifying details? It's so that people can't find their other posts and link them together

Laiste · 06/02/2025 10:29

It would be sad and ironic to think that fear of being accused of being a troll might discourage women from posting here anonymously for help with anything vaguely sexual or intimate.

Don't ruin a safe space with troll hunting.

Anonforthis58 · 06/02/2025 10:33

Yes, @BottomWibblyWob should come back to apologise, as @Youngheartsalittletogetherness did.

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