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Boycott Nestle

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aloha · 19/12/2002 09:44

I don't know if anyone else heard the Today programme? Nestle is demanding £6million in compensation from Ethiopia, one of the poorest nations on earth which is facing catastrophic famine. Children are already dying because they have no food. Nestle has been offered over £1million, but is refusing to settle, even thought the company knows what the consequences may be. I thought this might be of interest to anyone who has read about the famine or contributed to famine relief. Personally, I didn't donate to have a greedy, immoral multinational snatch the food from starving children's mouths. Nestle already promote artificial feeding in the third world, contrary to the World Health Organisation's code of marketing. Where drinking water is unsafe, bottle fed babies are up to 25 times more likely to die from diarrhoea. So Nestle profits while babies die. Boycotting this disgusting company means more than never buying Nescafe again (though it's a very good start as it is their flagship product) but also covers many products including Cheerios and Shredded Wheat, Perrier Water, Kit Kats , Yorkie, Felix catfood as well as L'Oreal, Lancome, Garnier, Maybelline and Helena Rubenstein. For more information & a list of Nestle products, go to www.babymilkaction.org.

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Lucy123 · 19/12/2002 17:01

aloha - you're right that is absolutely outrageous. However, I'm not sure how much good consumer boycotts do as there are many other factors which can affect the markets. I once knew a mink farmer who insisted that it was cheap imports that killed his business, not the protests.

I think more effective would be something like a letter writing campaign - to MPs and Nestle executives, possibly combined with a boycott.

bells2 - there was a big thing about this in the Guardian a few months ago (articles might still be on the website) with various people contradicting nestle but also with non-Nestle people backing them up. I'm not sure, but trying to screw an extra 5 million from a government of a starving country is enough to put me off my shreddies (and that takes something!)

bells2 · 19/12/2002 17:04

Will check it out. Don't get me wrong - I'm not defending them. Would just like to know exactly what the situation is with them in the developing world at the moment. I have found the babymilkaction site a little woolly on some of the exact details.

Lucy123 · 19/12/2002 17:05

Nestles corporate headquarters address is:

Nestlé S.A.
avenue Nestlé 55
1800 Vevey
Switzerland

GeorginaA · 19/12/2002 19:51

I suppose I ought to first disclaim that I used to work for Nestle (although nothing to do with babymilk arm) - but that was some years ago. I don't have any particular vested interest in "covering" for them though.

I'm a bit wary of all these "Nestle is Evil" sort of things. It's so much easier for us to demonise a large faceless multinational rather than looking at ways to improve the situation through better education isn't it? Really we need to look at why so many mothers don't breastfeed for very long in our own country as well as many others around the world and look at how to give them better support and information.

Not to mention some of the "anti Nestle" propaganda can be quite devious - one TV program during its anti-Nestle rant showed one baby milk product that wasn't actually manufactured by Nestle as something that "proved" they broke the WHO code and another product that had been illegally imported into another country by a trader (and hence didn't have the instructions in the native language). I'm not saying that Nestle is completely innocent, I'm not that naive, but it's a big company - sometimes processes get in the way and mistakes are made (hey, you only need to look at any large company's product recall list throughout the year to see that). AFAIK Nestle take any reports of WHO code infringement that is reported to them extremely seriously.

The problem is, you start boycotting a company "because it's evil" - where do you stop? I don't think I can name many large companies that I could put hand on heart and swear were completely ethical (whether you consider these "bad practises" deliberate policy or genuine mistakes). Even many of the smaller companies if you start looking at how they treat their staff (look at the customer service call centre sweat shops that seem to be our main industry now). I wish things were so black and white that by stopping myself from eating one chocolate bar I was saving millions of lives... however, I don't believe life is that simple!

bossykate · 19/12/2002 20:29

hi everyone

what an interesting thread!

bells, well done. who knows the answer? if you would like to campaign to support new legislation which would compel companies to make better disclosure of their record wrt to the environment and other issues, have a look at Friends of the Earth

have to confess this will probably be more related to environmental issues than infant feeding per se, but given the discussion on the bhopal disaster recently, thought it was worth including.

croppy, completely agree with you re zimbabwe - used to be a food exporter - now starving thanks to mugabe. where's that wall so that i can bang my head against it? however, it's worth pointing out that, although the ruling regimes in africa can be very corrupt, the west has considerable responsibility for the current state of affairs, given the hasty imposition of western style nation states and systems of government on the indigenous population in the indecent scramble to decolonise africa. not to mention that "aid" is frequently a euphemism for state subsidies to british arms manufacturers, as recently observed in tanzania. not forgetting of course the influence of the world bank and imf, and the incredible debt burden faced by these countries.

meanwhile, back at this thread...

if you would like to participate in an oxfam email campaign to persuade nestle to drop this claim you can find information at this site

given the outrage displayed on this thread, i thought it would be worth reiterating that the reason this is such big news is because of the context - the whole of southern africa is facing a devasting famine atm.

if you would like to make a donation to aid famine relief, have a look at Oxfam Appeal

also, you can sign up to be part of campaigning groups on developing world and fair trade issues at www.oxfam.org.uk or www.cafod.org.uk.

this thread has given me the boot in the to learn how to do links!

although it has taken me ages to make them work!

bossykate · 19/12/2002 20:30

alternatively you can make a donation at Disasters Emergency Committee

bossykate · 19/12/2002 20:37

georginaa, yes ok, agree with much of what you say, but what can one do? where do we start to make a difference? reminds me of that quotation, which i will now - of course - get a bit wrong...

for evil to flourish, all that's necessary is for good people to do nothing...

sorry that quote is mangled have just been hunting for our dictionary of quotations and failed to find it.

it's bewildering knowing what is the right thing to do sometimes, isn't it?

GeorginaA · 19/12/2002 20:47

Yes I know bossykate Not claiming I have an ideal situation by any stretch of the imagination. I guess if people do want to give up the chocolate bar, then rather than just switching brand they could go without and send the money to Oxfam or similar.

Write to Nestle headquarters to ask them to change policy regarding the compensation claim.

If money is tight this Christmas (and lets face it who isn't feeling the pinch these days?) perhaps having a clearout of things you haven't used (or toys not played with in a year) and donate them to Oxfam.

What I found quite disturbing when I had my ds was how many midwives in the hospital I was at (particularly the nightstaff for some reason - at a time when I was feeling particularly vunerable without dh) tried to pressure me into giving ds a bottle as I was having difficulty feeding. If I hadn't been quite such a stubborn cow, I could easily have just given in and considered myself "unable" to breastfeed.

If we can't get the education and support right in this country, how on earth are we going to extend our knowhow to other more disadvantaged countries?! Again, not sure how me as an individual can help to change this other than supporting the NCT (which I have done) and resolving to asking for a breastfeeding counsellor much earlier on next time around.

GeorginaA · 19/12/2002 20:49

Um "situation" should read "solution". Am not really with it tonight obviously

bossykate · 19/12/2002 20:53

hi georgina, didn't mean to have a go at you. it's just that i too feel extremely powerless in the face of issues like this and therefore cling on to the small things that i can do...

therefore, a classic case of projection, i think! and i'm far from perfect in living up to the small goals i set myself either...

your ideas of things to do to make a difference sound sensible to me!

ks · 19/12/2002 20:59

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GeorginaA · 19/12/2002 21:00

Don't worry - didn't feel "got at" at all! Know exactly what you mean about feeling powerless against it all. I feel that everytime I look at environmental issues - especially as I go through periods of intense laziness where I don't recycle. Then I just remember that even if I manage to recycle one tin can or one wine bottle then that's one more that doesn't go into a landfill and that makes a difference. (Still can't bear the thought of using non-disposable nappies though - feel horribly guilty everytime I use those little pink sacks).

GeorginaA · 19/12/2002 21:11

Hi ks - to be honest I haven't worked there for a couple of years now so of course any information I have is out of date (also I wasn't in the right department). Your best bet is to take a look at www.babymilk.nestle.com/ which looks at the whole issue in a lot more detail (and doesn't rely on my memory of company-wide email bulletins!) A brief scan shows several refutals of website "claims" of foul play. Again, I'm happy to see both sides and think that "truth" lies somewhere between the middle of both extremes.

Sorry, if it sounds a bit of a cop out, and good luck with your boycott.

What I would remind people is that Nestle isn't the only manufacturer of babymilk by a long stretch.

GeorginaA · 19/12/2002 21:13

(by the way, how do you get those nice links? Can you use normal html on here?)

bossykate · 19/12/2002 21:26

hi georgina, yes! i am still lurking around here waiting for comments on this thread! for instruction on how to do links go to the "getting started" link at the top of this thread. i have been a complete lazy * (insert derogatory noun as appropriate - personally i'm thinking "dairy" and have relied on people's ability to cut and paste up to now... but - fear not! - it's easy once you have the instructions although i had to print them out to have a reference to hand...

hth

GeorginaA · 19/12/2002 21:32

Thanks bossykate! Okay, quick test: Nestle's Babymilk Issue Site

susanmt · 19/12/2002 21:37

I have done a lot of research into the nestle problem, following trips to the developing world (Central America), and I am a commited nestle boycotter (pleas for smarties nonwithstanding).
I visited Guatemala and Nicaragua in 1993, and when I was there met women who had, in every hospital, been promoted nestle brand milk by salesgirls dressed as nurses, had subsequentley gone on to bottlefeed and had had babies die. Women who sat in meeting with us (I was on a study tour) and wept about their children who had died. We also met people who had had family gunned down because they would not give up the right to land which had been appropriated by the government for coffee and marajuana production. This is in a central American country (next down from Mexico, for those of you whose map skills are not great - free from the Geography teacher) which is nothing like as poor as the african countries which nestle continues to operate in.
We are now a big fairtrade household, buying our rice, sugar, coffee, tea, chocolate and as many as possibel other products via traidcraft (www.traidcraft.co.uk/retailonline as possible. When you have met the actual people who have suffered in this way (as I did in Central America and my dh did in India, Nepal and Bolivia while a student) your whole attitude totally changes.

susanmt · 19/12/2002 21:40

Nestle will tell you a load of stuff about how they dont do this anymore, but recently (I think 2000 - will get back to you) they were again in trouble from the EU (Although based in switzerland and not an EU country, they export via Rotterdam and are therefore subject to various EU regulations) and they simply refused to tuen up to the hearings about the way in which they conduct their trade. I think this is appalling - i(f there was nothing to hide they would talk about it openly in any enquiry which asked them) and I will not have a nestle product in the house.
And there is no point boycotting if you do not continually bombard them with letters to tell them the reasons for your boycott, you have to let them know what is going on!

GeorginaA · 19/12/2002 21:43

Copied from the Nestle site, statement from the Nestle CEO which mentions "milk nurses" and how they deal with reported WHO code violations:

The Nestlé Company began when Henri Nestlé invented a milk and cereal food that saved the life of a neighbour?s baby who could not be breastfed. Today, infant formula makes up about 2% of Nestlé?s sales but, for about the first 40 years of the company?s life, it was our principal product. It is still a product that saves the lives of untold numbers of babies around the world every day.

It became apparent in the 1970s that infant formula ( often referred to as ?babymilk? ) is a product that deserves special treatment in terms of marketing in situations where sanitary conditions could result in its misuse. The concern arose at the time that advertising or promotion of infant formula to the public could lead to unsafe use by women who did not have access to clean water and who over-diluted the formula in an effort to save money. As access to communications became more widespread among populations in developing countries, it became clear that the promotion of infant formula to the public was reaching such mothers, and that such promotion should be stopped.

As a result, Nestlé stopped advertising and promotion to the public in these countries in the late 1970s, and the International Code of Marketing of Breast-milk Substitutes, drafted by the World Health Organisation, was passed as a complete set of recommendations to governments in 1981. It lists the responsibilities of health care systems, health care professionals and companies in regard to the promotion of breast-milk substitutes and the provision of information concerning its proper use.

Having learned the lessons of the 1970s, Nestlé was the first company to voluntarily implement the Code throughout the developing world in 1982, and we developed specific instructions to our staff on how to do this. These instructions were reviewed and refined in 1984 in consultation with the WHO and other UN agencies.

Our policy and practice in developing countries since that time has meant no public promotion, including no advertising, no in-store promotions, no advertising leaflets, no ?milk nurses?, no samples to mothers, and a very restrictive policy on free formula for evaluation by health professionals. We leave communication to mothers about infant formula in developing countries completely up to health professionals. In developed countries, we follow national regulations implementing the International Code, including the EU Commission Directive of May 1991, which implemented the Code within the EU.

We also carry out annual audits on WHO Code compliance with a sample of Nestlé companies, and we investigate any substantiated claims made by those who believe we have broken the Code.

Many of these we find to be inaccurate but, in a company of over 225,000 individuals, mistakes can be made. If we find that the Code has been deliberately violated, we take disciplinary action.

As CEO, I personally review any reports of Code violation discovered either in our audits in the developing world or through reports from other organisations, and I make sure the appropriate action is taken.

I hope this document provides a deeper understanding of the realities of infant feeding in the developing world and of Nestlé?s marketing activities.

GeorginaA · 19/12/2002 21:44

Do please look at the "Latest News" section of the site as it does appear that some of Baby Milk Action's claims on their site are misleading.

susanmt · 19/12/2002 21:46

Just like I said, they will tell you they don't do it! I would challenge the CEO of Nestle to visit the shanty towns of Guatemala City and Managua, of Bombay and Kathmandhu, and then tell me that this never happens.
If they are so good at the code, then why are they the company that Baby Milk Action targets above all others?

GeorginaA · 19/12/2002 21:49

I think this would be a good point for me to back out gracefully, before it gets a bit heated! Apologies if I've upset anyone. Goodluck susanmt, ks and all others who decide to go ahead and boycott.

susanmt · 19/12/2002 21:54

Thanks Georgina, for all your info. I appreciate what you are doing, and it is good to have another opinion! I will certainly go and have a look at the Nestle websites now. It has been so interesting to have an 'insider' perspective on all of this, and I really appreciate the time etc you have put in to bringing all this info to our attention.

GeorginaA · 19/12/2002 21:58

No probs susanmt - I know it can't be a substitute for actually being there! I wish I was a good traveller - unfortunately even before ds I was too fond of my creature comforts to get to the more interesting and worthwhile places!

Rhubarb · 19/12/2002 22:04

Bossykate, your link to the Oxfam email petition didn't work, can you post it again please? I think a lot more people will send petitions via email because it's easier, so it's worth advertising. I've always been against Nestle, but unfortunately know that boycotting it hasn't done it any harm at all, it owns so many products and is so vast that even if all us Mumsnetters boycotted its products for the rest of our lives, it wouldn't even dent it's profits. However that's not to say that I want to buy any of it's stuff at all - that's just putting my hard-earned money into their hypocritical, greedy, selfish pockets, which will never do.