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What would you have done if your DC was given bits of lead to play with at nursery? Am not sure if I over or under reacted.

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Shitemum · 29/03/2008 22:47

About 2 weks ago DD1 4.6 y came home from school with a short length of what looked like some kind of chain. I didn't look at it properly till bedtime and then when I picked it up I immediately saw it was made of lead.

It was made of a sort of string with small lead beads pressed onto it, which came off easily when I slid them along the string. She had been playing with it all day at nursery and sucking it. She said one of the teachers had given it to her and some of her friends had bits too and hd also had them in their mouths.

Next morning I called the school first thing and DD1s teacher called me back a couple of minutes later and said a support teacher had been cutting up some old curtains for an activity and the strings of lead were in the hems. The children had seen the strings and picked them up to play at making bracelets with them. She said that the support teacher was very sorry, she had meant to take the strings back off the children but had forgotton.

I didn't take it any further (and the Easter holidays started the next day)but am amazed that a teacher could be so stupid as to let children play with lead, which is a highly toxic heavy metal. I am angry that she let them have the pieces in the first place never mind forgot to take them off them later.

I am still in two minds whether to speak to the director of the school about it and whether to tell the parents of the other chidren what happened.

Am I over or under reacting?

By the way this happened in Spain where we don't have the same rigor where Health and Safety is concerned as in the UK.

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madcol · 29/03/2008 22:51

I don't think your over-reacting.I would speak to the director to make sure all staff are aware of such risks. Then you know you havedone all you can to ensure that it doesn't happen again.

Telling parents without going to head may look a bit like gossiping/rumour-mongering even if you are being 100% constructive.

Shitemum · 29/03/2008 22:55

Yes, I think I want to speak to the head and just make sure all the teachers know what happened and that it isn't on. Trouble is I know the head will just try to play it down or make me feel like a neurotic foreigner.
I'm worried that the teacher concerned may be lacking in common sense regarding other safety issues too.

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JellyNump · 29/03/2008 23:02

Thats a terrible thing to happen!!! I'd go mad if anyone looking after my child gave them hazardous materials to play with. What if they weren't lead and the beads as you described came out while they were sucking them and they choked!?!?!?! There are 2 points to raise there! They can't make you out as a neurotic foreigner, surely lead in Spain is just as poisonous as lead in the UK!?!

madcol · 29/03/2008 23:05

If you think you're not being taken seriously you could escalate it at that point. if you put it in writing they may feel more compelled to reply than if you just speak to them.

If anything more serious ever happened there you may feel guilty that you didn't say something.

Shitemum · 29/03/2008 23:14

Jelly - the beads were tiny, like vermicelli or mouse droppings (sorry but they were)too small to choke on but small enough to swallow easily. I've no idea if DD1 did swallow any but I really hope she didn't.

I think I'll speak to the head on Monday.

People are so unconcerned about things like this here. At a local shop specilaised in hams and chicken and cold meats I have to ask the guy slicing the cold meat to use a pair of pinchers instead of letting each slice drop onto his hand and then into the plastic box every time I go in there. He's handling money and raw meat too FFS and they make me feel like I'm being a PITA for mentioning it!

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redadmiral · 29/03/2008 23:20

I found these in our net curtains and I was horrified. Think everyone should be more aware of it, TBH.

Sorry to hear about this, though, it's really worrying.

redadmiral · 29/03/2008 23:25

Mind you I could easily imagine this happening at DD2's nursery in Britain. I've seen them growiing potato plants in the classroom, the leaves of which are pretty toxic, and I'm not sure they would recognise lead if it fell out of some curtains. (In fact, the reverse - my friend was called to take her child to hospital from the same school because she had stabbed herself with a pencil point, and 'as it was lead you can't be too careful'. It didn't exavtly fill me with confidence!)

fivecandles · 30/03/2008 08:23

Lead hasn't been used to make pencils for years. Decades in fact. They are made out of non toxic graphite.

Are you sure it was lead in the curtains also? This would be very unusual.

redadmiral · 30/03/2008 10:28

Sorry fivecandles - wasn't being clear. I meant that if they didn't realise that the pencils weren't made of lead, what chance was there of identifying the real thing if they did come across it?

redadmiral · 30/03/2008 10:30

PS. I'm pretty sure the net I recenly bought for curtains from John Lewis and let my children play with as wedding outfits had tiny lead beads in the bottom. I only realised later.

Shitemum · 30/03/2008 14:36

It was definately lead. Very heavy considering how small they were and a sort of tarnished silver colour - lead coloured in fact. They were obviously used to weight the curtains and make them hang well.

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redadmiral · 30/03/2008 15:05

It's a bit ludicrous really considering the fuss they make about lead in paint. I definitely think they should be given hell about it. Can you bear to print off some info from the internet about its toxicity?

(If it's any reassurance though, my mum used to let us play with pieces of lead as kids - some kind of fastenings for wires I think, and I'm sure we didn't wash our hands afterwards. I still managed to get all my 'o' and 'a' levels )

Kindersurprise · 30/03/2008 15:43

I do think that you should speak to the head teacher. Obviously the supply teacher was aware of the dangers as she had intended taking the beads off the children.

I know what you are talking about re crazy foreigner. I am the same here in Germany. I used to have to ask them to pack the cooked and raw meat into seperate bags at the butcher. When I said that I prefered it that way as it was how it was done in UK, she said that the English could not teach the world about food hygiene, as we had BSE

Stick to your guns and have some info ready about the dangers of lead poisoning.

JellyNump · 30/03/2008 18:37

Well I still wouldnt be impressed to find my child could have potentially swallowed the beads no matter what size they were, whether they were of a chokable size or not!

Madlentileater · 30/03/2008 18:43

Isn't Spain in the EU, home of too much regulation (v ignorant here) I would be totally appalled, YANBU at all. Re BSE, not exactly a food hygiene issue, after all!

Shitemum · 30/03/2008 21:05

redadmiral - my mum used to let us play with the mercury when a thermometer broke!
My younger brother was included in a random survey of lead deposits in milk teeth. His milk teeth were sent away to be analised as they fell out. He had over the normal, acceptable lead levels. We had moved to a house with a length of lead piping from the street to the house when he was a baby. He is dyslexic and didnt get many exam passes at school, not that the rest of us are brilliant, mind you, but it makes you think...

Ok, now I have to gear myself up for a chat with the headmistress tomorrow...

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