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Anyone thinking of giving up booze should read this...................

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Scattybird · 23/03/2008 00:39

www.nosteps.org/component/content/article/7-authors/7-national-recovery-month.html

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madamez · 23/03/2008 00:54

Thank you.

expatinscotland · 23/03/2008 00:59

Who cares? If it helps people cope with their addictions and do something else, it's no bad thing in my book.

I used to find Alan Carr a bit preachy and culty, but hey, it helps people to try to stop smoking.

madamez · 23/03/2008 01:02

Isn;t it kind of useful for people who want to cope with their addictions but find AA preachy and off-putting, to know that there are other options? AA and the whole 12-step business is pushed very much as the only way to get better, when it isn;t right for everyone.

expatinscotland · 23/03/2008 01:05

It's free, though. A lot of other options aren't.

kokeshi · 23/03/2008 03:37

Indeed expatinscotland, what's the worst it can do? Help you stay sober? If anyone has been in the end stages of addiction, with your liver failing, peripheral neuropathy, at risk of Korsakoff's psychosis or close to death, you really don't have many options.

And, if you care to look on the dependent drinkers thread - which has been going for the longest time - you'll see that I do actually suggest going to the GP and being honest, and thinking about medications and treatment centres.

I got sober first through a rehab programme (non-AA), but it's the maintenance of sobriety and growth in recovery that I'm looking for. The NHS pap you out the door after 4 weeks and you're left to get on with it. The easy part is getting sober, it's way more of a challenge and a life-time commitment to actually staying sober. The NHS addiction services are chronically underfunded and oversubscribed and you could wait months for a referral. They've closed our nearest in-patient treatment centre and are in the process of closing the day clinic too.

I really don't see why people who have no issue with drink are so against AA. HAve any of you lived with an alcoholic? I suggest you take a look at the partner's of addicts thread and see the devastation caused by active alcoholism.

No-one want to admit they're 'that bad' and can and will use any excuse not to try AA or any other form of treatment. Have you been? Do you know anyone in recovery? I really wish people would stop spouting about stuff they know nothing about, really. You're helping no-one. Feel free to come over to the drinker's thread though and try your way of helping the problem drinkers. You know, since you're keen on showing that there are alternatives. I'd love to read about your positive experiences and I'm sure the posters would appreciate the encouragement.

Just for the record, I know very few people in AA who are religious at all. MAny are actually 'recovering' from being brought up in a religion too but manage to make the programme work in their lives.

And, for the illustrative purposes, I was at a buddhist meditation course today, I'm an AA member and practice the 12 step programme. Doesn't really fit into the sweeping generalisations then does it?

Triathlete · 23/03/2008 19:21

AA is often described as religious by those who are not recovering alcoholics and who have their own axes to grind. I've even seen a sociological analysis that "proves" AA is a cult - it has it's own vocabulary, "sacred" literature, and it "venerates" Bill W and Dr. Bob. Well, on that basis, a bunch of mechanics reading a Haynes manual, or a set of Formula 1 fans, could be said to be a cult. I believe that that particular analysis was flawed, because there's usually someone either making a lot of money, or having a lot of sex, or both, leading a cult, and I don't see either of those happening in AA.

As far as being religious is concerned, it's a question of semantics and pedantry. Sure, the word "God" is mentioned throughout the Big Book. Sure, some meetings end with the Lord's Prayer. However, "God" is always qualified with the words "as you understand it". This allows people of all faiths and of none to take part.

And when you dig a little deeper into AA's moral philosophy, you'll see that it is the behaviour that lies at the root of all major religions: honesty, acknowledging one's failings, seeking to improve, having a mentor, being self-aware. Indeed, so widespread are these behaviours in spiritual practise, that it could be said that they predate religion, or at least those socio-political power structures that are called religions. These practises sit with the others that overlap the major religions - charity, cooperation, caring for others. (This is before the St. Pauls, the Shias and the Sunnis etc created their misanthropic factionalist perversions of their religions.)

If this is so, then the very behaviour that is characterised as being "religious" in AA, and more often "Christian", is in fact a non-exclusive, universal, expression of spirituality. It is what enables us to become better human beings, without having to take sides in a manufactured argument. It gives us a sense of perspective about ourselves and the world around us, and a sense of gratitude for the life we lead.

It's because of this universal wisdom that AA has outgrown its mid-West Protestant roots and is now embedded in cultures and societies all over the world. And that is the greatest proof that it is not a religion.

Elibean · 23/03/2008 19:30

Not very controversial OP, IMO. Of course there are alternatives to the 12 step programs, so what?

As for the religious thing, I'm not at all religious - and neither are any of my long-time close pals who got sober/clean in AA/NA. Spiritual values (honesty, trust, etc) yes, a sense of not being the biggest most important person on the planet yes, trust and faith in life processes of various sorts, but not religious.

expatinscotland · 23/03/2008 19:32

I have an ex boyfriend who stayed sober with NA and he's an atheist.

Scattybird · 23/03/2008 19:34

I couldn't remember the name of it, but this is one that people have used and it's like Mumsnet but with alcohol problems

here

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madamez · 23/03/2008 21:42

Why are some people so angry that suggestions are being made for ways of overcoming a dependence on alcohol other than AA? What's so controversial about suggesting that one method of dealing with a problem doesn't necessarily suit everyone?

Candlewax · 23/03/2008 21:51

madamez I don't think they are angry that there can be alteratives, I think they are irratated that people think that AA is religious/cult as opposed to helping anyone who needs help.

expatinscotland · 23/03/2008 23:53

No one's ever suggested that, though, madamez.

And one person even related that she got sober through rehab, although she's maintained sobriety through AA.

Triathlete · 24/03/2008 15:13

madamez, that wasn't the proposition in the original post's link. And who's angry?

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