This Morning - MMR

[hecticmum]

Never usually watch this but was just flicking past. Apparently at 11.25 Dr Chris is going to report on there being no link between MMR and autism. Am presuming this will be the same news as the report in the Times etc, which you can agree with or not, but why do they persist in trumpeting it like a trophy?

Surely if they really believe there is no link, it should be shameful news for the NHS that they've lost parents' trust in their vaccination over nothing. Crowing "look, we're right" isn't going to restore that. Obviously if you believe there is a link (as I do but not going into that here) then its an annoying exercise in concentrating on one report while ignoring others.

And out of interest, is anyone going to watch it, I've got to go out before it starts but would love to know what they say (and I have no video recorder at the moment )

Just one quick bump!

Oh - thanks for this.
Will pop on in a mo (have no video either).
Got MMR vacine letter through yesterday for LO.

I think there has been enough bad press about the MMR vaccine, that side of the argument has had plenty of coverage in the press. Thank goodness they are starting to show the good side! Thank goodness for vaccines too - both DDs done and dusted.

I don't believe any 'government supporting 'experts'.
I know that the mmr really affected ds1 and that is why none of my other children have had it.

I think its really important to show this research.

2 second mention. Saying that its been proved thats its not linked to autism, and Fern said "so there you go, go ad have it."

Kitty - how did it affect your DS? (how old was he too?)

There was no queue in the PO for once and I got back in literally a minute before it started so caught it . It was very 'blink and you'll miss it' - "get injected, don't get infected"? Fair enough that's his view but its a very glib way to sum it up for parents who are worried about the autism risk!

I agree. They spent more time discussing pink poo from beetroot.

Lol, I understand they can't spend ages on everything but they need to pick their topics or not talk about them at all. Bit put off by a health professional, ie someone a lot of people may instantly trust rather than a tv presenter, glossing over the information so quickly, as if to say "I've decided, do what I say now".

You will never disprove it for the simple reason that the signs of autism show at around the same age as children have the MMR. Therein lies the problem
However I don't believe that there is a link and the deciding factor for me is I know someone who was left disabled by measles.

True RHW, but ignoring the scientific research, as there's serious studies which back-up both sides of the argument, what about the parents who can make a good argument, on knowing their children, that it was literally as soon as the child had had the jab that they changed totally, overnight. Although its roughly the same time, its a big coincidence for it to happen straight after the jab, rather than a month later or so.

But my main point wasn't to argue whether the report was right or wrong, but the way as soon as something comes out it's trumpeted as "look, we've got proof!" rather than "let's show you our findings seriously, respect your doubts and try to change your mind by being responsible about the issue".

Fair point and there are most probably some families with a genetic make up that may well predispose them to vaccine damage. But how you'd prove that, I don't know.

lizzie, thanks for asking about ds.

I can only describe it as his body sort of shut down. He was about 15 months old when he had it. He was poorly immediately afterwards, temp etc then he got the most horrible diarrhoea ( which he had for years after), he stopped talking, he stopped eating and he stopped growing.

We had to go for all sorts of tests, keep records and diaries. They couldn't come up with anything. In the end I went to a cranial osteopath. She said that she felt his body had suffered a terrible trauma and had simp,y 'shut down'. She also said she had seen this with many many children after the mmr.
I cannot say for certain whether it was linked to his jabs or not, no one can, but if for some reason my children ARE suscepitble ( I except that there are many who aren't) then I cannot take the risk with my others.

sorry, meant ACCEPT not except

kitty - thanks for telling me/us about your ds. Can I ask when this was? And if it was the combined MMR or separate jabs which he had.

I can totally understand why you would not want to risk it with your other children. x

lizzz, this was in about 2000 and it was the combined jab.

What is it with your name lizz?
Sorry

from what I have read, the new study looked for measles virus in the blood, whereas the original one cited measles vaccine in the gut.
I know that they said that taking gut samples would be too invasive, but I am still not sure how this current study disproves the old one

kittywise - how is your ds now? Does he have anything problems from it still?

bunny, totally agree, it's like doing most other tests for a virus, you can't just take any old sample and expect it to show the same as a different type of sample would, but they seem to have glossed over that.

hecticmum. He's doing ok thanks. He has some word finding difficulties and is somewhat 'quirky', but all in all we have managed to get him up to speed. It took years though, 8 to be precise .