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Shoulder impingement - pain!!

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Toffeewhirl · 06/11/2022 20:29

Has anyone had this? I pulled something in my shoulder when I stretched one day. Was painful and couldn't raise my hand behind my back.

Saw physio who helped a bit and gave me exercises. Then went on a weekend break to Lisbon, slipped on the cobbles and landed on that arm.

Now the pain is worse than ever. I can barely do the physio exercises and keep my arm pinned to my side to protect it. If I move it wrong or bang it, it's so painful I feel sick.

I can't sleep properly at night because of it, so that's making me grumpy too.

I'm usually fairly stoic if I'm ill, but I'm not being stoic at all this time. I'm thoroughly fed up. Especially because the physio said if it's developing into frozen shoulder, it will take months to heal.

Has anyone had anything like this? If so, what helped?

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Toffeewhirl · 10/11/2022 09:42

nannybeach · 10/11/2022 09:33

Beginning to read the posts,I was going to say frozen shoulder
Have had 3, physio didn't help at all. Ironically,my eldest DD who is a qualified masseuse helped me get over one in 6 weeks
That was my left arm,had it twice on the right. Physio, osteopath, which cost a fortune. I bought a book by a Swedish osteopath, called "Treat your own Frozen shoulder. You can't literally, there are pressure points. You need some one like my DD who knows anatomy and physiology. I was nursing at the time,and no-one I spoke to at that point was helped by the steroid injections, but I see a lot of folk on here have been. Ironically,DH pulled his rotator cuff, coming down hill walking the dogs, slipped on mud,hyper-extended his hand,and landed on it. He had just physio. This was 3 years ago,he had to give up work, motor trade. I said at least he knew then how I felt! I found no painkillers worked,I slept on the floor,well, I say slept!

You slept on the floor! Misery! You poor thing.

Wish I had someone like your DD! That sounds amazing. The massage from the physio was incredibly helpful, so maybe massage should play a role in recovery. I might look into it (but that's more money...).

Sorry your DH had to give up work because of a frozen shoulder. I've been thinking of all the jobs you wouldn't be able to do with this problem - dancer, musician, sportsman/woman, builder... I'm lucky that I just need to sit at a desk and type, so my work isn't affected at all.

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MooBaggage · 10/11/2022 09:42

Huntswomanonthemove · 06/11/2022 22:32

I had impingement and had a subacromial decompression operation. It was a miracle. The physiotherapist made it hurt much more.

I had ops on both shoulders, separately, a few years apart, for impingement. Both operations were successful, although I waited too long to have the 2nd one done, so the muscles were torn and I had to have a titanium screw - took longer to recover post-op and was much more painful..!

But several years on from having both done they're both great - full movement and no pain at all. The post-op physio was pretty brutal, especially after the one with a screw in - but essential to get the full movement back.

Toffeewhirl · 10/11/2022 09:45

Nat6999 · 08/11/2022 04:27

I had my shoulder impingement operated on, mine started turning over in bed, the pain was so bad I panicked & rang 111, I had physiotherapy which did nothing & after 6 months managed to get my GP to refer me to a shoulder surgeon who straight after seeing my Xrays said I needed the op. I had it done day surgery under NHS choose & book at a private hospital, went in for 7.00am, went to theatre at 9.00am & was on my way home by 1.00pm. I had to wear a sling for a few days but was out & about 3 days after surgery & driving a week after. I had physio for a month & was discharged 3 months after the operation. My other shoulder is catching now & as soon as it gets bad enough I will be getting referred back to the same surgeon.

It seems to start so easily, but I suppose it's been building up beforehand. I'm glad the op was successful for you, but sorry the other shoulder is starting to go. At least you know what to do!

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Dreikanter · 10/11/2022 09:59

You mentioned earlier that you’re wfh and you don’t have a proper office chair? Your employer should do a DSE assessment if you use a screen for considerable periods of time, and should provide suitable equipment should the assessment find that you need it.

If you’re self-employed, give yourself a slap on the wrist (carefully, given the circs).

Toffeewhirl · 10/11/2022 10:05

Dreikanter · 10/11/2022 09:59

You mentioned earlier that you’re wfh and you don’t have a proper office chair? Your employer should do a DSE assessment if you use a screen for considerable periods of time, and should provide suitable equipment should the assessment find that you need it.

If you’re self-employed, give yourself a slap on the wrist (carefully, given the circs).

Both apply. I worked from home for two years over the lockdowns and my employer didn't provide a proper office chair. It was an awful employer, to be honest.

Then I went self-employed and continued working on my wooden kitchen chair. Office chairs - even secondhand - are so expensive, so I've put off buying one. Of course, I could have saved a fortune in physio bills by simply investing earlier. But I thought I was doing OK and the wooden chair is actually quite comfy!

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cantheydothisreally · 10/11/2022 10:21

toffeewhirl
Like you, I work from home and have a problem with my right shoulder

This started on 1st April this year

Also, like you, I work from home and do a lot of computer based work

I have had an osteopath help but it is expensive! She thought it was ab inflamed rotator cuff

I am 50 snd peri and it seems to be worse at different times of the month

What helps is yoga and not going on the computer

One is achievable the other sadly is not ☹️

Anyfeckinusername · 10/11/2022 10:52

My left arm too OP - I'm 48 and the Physio diagnosed frozen shoulder yesterday - I've had pain and very restricted movement for 10 weeks.

I've been referred to a sports/ MKS physician, seeing her mid December.

Hoping for the shots. It came out of the blue, worsened, and is now painful but not worsening. Can't do up a bra.. can't raise arm enough to shave armpit etc! It's white mental really.

HauntedDishcloth · 10/11/2022 10:55

I had hydrodistention for frozen shoulder from a specialist, which is no more invasive than the steroid injection treatment. It's not guaranteed but worked for me so would recommend it. I had it after suffering for a year with frozen shoulder both sides with weekly physio/acupuncture that only helped for a day or two afterwards, so wish I had it done earlier.

Anyfeckinusername · 10/11/2022 11:02

My consultant appointment cannot come quick enough. If there's a remedy out there I want it!

Asides from the searing pain if I accidentally move my arm in a reflex to catch something falling for example (major pain) or if the tiny dog jerks on the lead (never again in that hand) - the top of my arm permanently feels like I've been punched, or had a covid jab type of ache too.

Toffeewhirl · 10/11/2022 11:12

cantheydothisreally · 10/11/2022 10:21

toffeewhirl
Like you, I work from home and have a problem with my right shoulder

This started on 1st April this year

Also, like you, I work from home and do a lot of computer based work

I have had an osteopath help but it is expensive! She thought it was ab inflamed rotator cuff

I am 50 snd peri and it seems to be worse at different times of the month

What helps is yoga and not going on the computer

One is achievable the other sadly is not ☹️

Sorry it's been going on for so long for you. It's awful that it seems to be so long-lasting. Wonder what the link is with menopause? I'm on HRT, so will still be getting oestrogen.

Yes, I can see that yoga would help. Bet there are lots of adaptations you have to do. Good to keep exercising somehow, though.

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Toffeewhirl · 10/11/2022 11:16

Anyfeckinusername · 10/11/2022 10:52

My left arm too OP - I'm 48 and the Physio diagnosed frozen shoulder yesterday - I've had pain and very restricted movement for 10 weeks.

I've been referred to a sports/ MKS physician, seeing her mid December.

Hoping for the shots. It came out of the blue, worsened, and is now painful but not worsening. Can't do up a bra.. can't raise arm enough to shave armpit etc! It's white mental really.

Sympathies! Hope the sports physician (physio?) helps.

The bra issue is so frustrating, isn't it? I've been looking up front-fastening bras, but I'm wondering if I can just wear some supportive vests when I'm at home to save all the hassle.

So many things are affected. Everything takes longer because you have only one effective arm and have to move more slowly to avoid pain. I washed my hair in the shower this morning. What a palaver.

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Toffeewhirl · 10/11/2022 11:19

HauntedDishcloth · 10/11/2022 10:55

I had hydrodistention for frozen shoulder from a specialist, which is no more invasive than the steroid injection treatment. It's not guaranteed but worked for me so would recommend it. I had it after suffering for a year with frozen shoulder both sides with weekly physio/acupuncture that only helped for a day or two afterwards, so wish I had it done earlier.

Just googled this. It has an excellent success rate, especially with relieving pain. I'll see what the GP says when I see her on 15th.

Glad you found something that worked for you!

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Toffeewhirl · 10/11/2022 11:23

Anyfeckinusername · 10/11/2022 11:02

My consultant appointment cannot come quick enough. If there's a remedy out there I want it!

Asides from the searing pain if I accidentally move my arm in a reflex to catch something falling for example (major pain) or if the tiny dog jerks on the lead (never again in that hand) - the top of my arm permanently feels like I've been punched, or had a covid jab type of ache too.

Yes, the pain is off the scale, isn't it? I keep thinking my shoulder bones are grinding together and it sets my teeth on edge. And the ache in your arm after any sharp movement - it's very wearing!

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Dreikanter · 10/11/2022 11:23

HauntedDishcloth · 10/11/2022 10:55

I had hydrodistention for frozen shoulder from a specialist, which is no more invasive than the steroid injection treatment. It's not guaranteed but worked for me so would recommend it. I had it after suffering for a year with frozen shoulder both sides with weekly physio/acupuncture that only helped for a day or two afterwards, so wish I had it done earlier.

I was going to have that - consultant got as far as inserting the needle and somehow touched something that made me start to pass out. He (very grumpily) had to stop and muttered something about me coming back and having it done lying down rather than sitting up. The physio had also managed to apply pressure to a point on my shoulder that had the same effect, so I must have some weird pressure point there.

In the end, I didn't bother rescheduling as during the 6 week wait between the GP referral (when it was super painful) and the procedure it was already markedly less painful and was starting to free up, and it improved rapidly after that.

blondiecurly · 10/11/2022 11:29

Toffeewhirl · 06/11/2022 20:58

@lovelilies - oooh, if physio does the injections that would be amazing. I'm seeing her on Tuesday. Glad to hear they helped you so much.

Not all physiotherapists can do injections. If your physiotherapist is not qualified in joint injection, she can refer you to another physiotherapist who is, or some GPs do injections

blondiecurly · 10/11/2022 11:30

Your problem seems like impingement syndrome, and I think injection would help. I had a similar issue in my left shoulder, and my ultrasound scan shows impingement. I had a cortisone shot, and it resolved the problem. Worth trying an injection

Twooforjoy · 10/11/2022 12:08

@Toffeewhirl so tiring! - the physio asked if there was any clicking and I said no, there is crunching!

Toffeewhirl · 10/11/2022 12:16

Twooforjoy · 10/11/2022 12:08

@Toffeewhirl so tiring! - the physio asked if there was any clicking and I said no, there is crunching!

What does clicking mean?! I have clicking when I do my physio exercises. Of course, it didn't happen when I tried to demonstrate it to physio.

Thankfully, no crunching!

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Toffeewhirl · 10/11/2022 12:17

blondiecurly · 10/11/2022 11:30

Your problem seems like impingement syndrome, and I think injection would help. I had a similar issue in my left shoulder, and my ultrasound scan shows impingement. I had a cortisone shot, and it resolved the problem. Worth trying an injection

Sounds amazing!

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nannybeach · 10/11/2022 12:22

Hello Toffeewhirl,DH Gave up work, owing to an inflamed rotator cuff, not a frozen shoulder. He was 62, I am 7 years older,so he's not pension age.My second one my GP have me diazepam as a muscle relaxant, which probably would have been lovely....but I was off sick with noravirus (only time I caught it in 40 years nursing) I went outside to get some air,stubbed my toes in the doorway,they went black and swelled up! Honestly,it's it not ONE thing!. I found lying on the floor was more bareable,(I did have a mattress) first osteopath I saw told me to rest the arm...worst possible thing.

PrincessofWellies · 10/11/2022 12:22

Toffeewhirl · 10/11/2022 10:05

Both apply. I worked from home for two years over the lockdowns and my employer didn't provide a proper office chair. It was an awful employer, to be honest.

Then I went self-employed and continued working on my wooden kitchen chair. Office chairs - even secondhand - are so expensive, so I've put off buying one. Of course, I could have saved a fortune in physio bills by simply investing earlier. But I thought I was doing OK and the wooden chair is actually quite comfy!

Ikea do a black leather office chair which is fully adjustable and not too expensive. I bought mine after developing tenosynovitis problems with my mouse hand, caused by sitting at an incorrect height. It really is worth getting a proper chair.

Toffeewhirl · 10/11/2022 12:34

@PrincessofWellies - thanks for the tip. I'll look it up.

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Toffeewhirl · 10/11/2022 12:35

nannybeach · 10/11/2022 12:22

Hello Toffeewhirl,DH Gave up work, owing to an inflamed rotator cuff, not a frozen shoulder. He was 62, I am 7 years older,so he's not pension age.My second one my GP have me diazepam as a muscle relaxant, which probably would have been lovely....but I was off sick with noravirus (only time I caught it in 40 years nursing) I went outside to get some air,stubbed my toes in the doorway,they went black and swelled up! Honestly,it's it not ONE thing!. I found lying on the floor was more bareable,(I did have a mattress) first osteopath I saw told me to rest the arm...worst possible thing.

That's just awful! And I agree that resting the arm is wrong. How awful that the osteo mis-advised you. My physio said gentle movement is the answer at this stage.

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Toffeewhirl · 10/11/2022 12:36

@Dreikanter - sounds scary. Glad you improved without intervention in the end.

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Twilightstarbright · 10/11/2022 12:42

My people!

Frozen shoulder here, tried two steroid injections under ultrasound, weekly physio and still no better so hoping for an operation. Seeing the consultant again at the end of the month but I’m fed up of being in pain.

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