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How can seven million people be waiting for hospital treatment?

44 replies

Kendodd · 13/10/2022 22:26

That's just in England.
This isn't a government or NHS bashing thread. It's more a thread about how our health can be so shit?

www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-63219147

OP posts:
ColinRobinsonsfamiliar · 13/10/2022 22:30

It’s so complicated, multitude of reasons.

Top of the list NO nurses, not enough DRs.

hairyfail · 13/10/2022 22:39

That's not necessarily 7 million people though - I'm on lists for endocrinology, a specialist clinic at addenbrookes, womens physio, physio and gynaecology so I count 5 times currently. Mine isn't through health or lifestyle choices but a rare autoimmune condition that I had chemo through covid for - the chemo caused the gynaecology and womens physio problems.

Hbh17 · 13/10/2022 22:42

Primarily accounted for by the ageing population, but it's not 7 million separate people. And some of them are waiting for very minor treatments or investigations.
Whilst numbers overall may have increased post pandemic, the media are (as usual) being somewhat simplistic and over-dramatic.

weekendninja · 13/10/2022 22:50

My DS is waiting for a circumcision. His health isn't shit - it's just the way it is.

TigerRag · 14/10/2022 12:24

Covid? I've had 3 letters since May 2021 telling me there's a longer than normal wait due to covid. My referral that was an emergency took around 3 months

emmathedilemma · 14/10/2022 13:00

shortage of staff
global pandemic
aging generation
we are keeping people alive thanks to advances in modern medicine who 30-40 years ago would not have survived
lack of funding

TightDiamondShoes · 14/10/2022 13:05

I’m waiting for 3 urgent procedures related to my immune system attacking my brain stem. Fairly sure I didn’t do this deliberately.

ivykaty44 · 14/10/2022 13:05

our health can be so shit?

look at the stats for obesity, which sadly brings a whole history of complications, eventually. That’s not a judgement but fact. Diabetes, heart disease & cancer, mental health

inactivity also brings a host of diseases, look at stats for inactivity of 30 minutes exercise per day

ivykaty44 · 14/10/2022 13:08

On the other side of the coin

healthcare is so advanced, that in previous generations they wouldn’t have been an option for rare diseases, autoimmune conditions etc and people wouldn’t have been in a waiting list

polmnlj · 14/10/2022 13:11

I am on waiting list for nurse led gyneo. No problems really so I can queue. Apparently they are now going through referrals from January.

RatherBeRiding · 14/10/2022 13:14

There's no simple answer. Social care is broken, meaning a lot of bed blocking by medically fit older people who cannot be discharged because no suitable care package can be put in place to support them in their own homes. Care home bed numbers continue to plummet and a lot of care homes are not the kind of place you would want your loved one to end up in. Some are great. All are expensive.

Add that to an ageing population, medical advances keeping people alive, but in need of a lot of ongoing care and treatment, who would have just died even a few decades ago, hopeless lack of funding, hopeless state of general practice, bed cutting, billions wasted on NHS reorganisation (I used to work for the NHS - within the space of a handful of years our overarching organisation had gone through 4 mergers/re-organisations at god knows what cost - certainly the quality of patient care did not improve one iota in fact just the opposite).

Those on the front line do their best but it's little more than fire fighting sadly. I have a partner who works for social care and a DD who is a nurse and they are swamped.

Creasedlinen · 14/10/2022 13:17

Medical advances are brilliant for people who benefit for them, but even a generation ago, many people on those lists would just have been told nothing could be done. We think "the system" should be able to fix everything now and even if it can't, expect loads of resources to be spent trying, often for minimal gains in life expectancy or quality of life.

It would be a difficult and contentious piece of work, but I do unfortunately believe that if the NHS is to be saved, there needs to be a list of things it just doesn't do for free (like dentistry now).

Rowthe · 14/10/2022 13:18

Blame the GP's, sorry I mean teachers, no it's all the carers fault they should work more hours for less pay and everything would be fixed.

Sorry cant remember who is this weeks scapegoat.

lfYouLikePInaColadas · 14/10/2022 13:20

because tories

verdantverdure · 14/10/2022 13:27

Kendodd · 13/10/2022 22:26

That's just in England.
This isn't a government or NHS bashing thread. It's more a thread about how our health can be so shit?

www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-63219147

It's not that our health is shit.

It's more that somebody took away the nursing bursaries and sent loads of foreign born doctors nurses and radiologist etc "home".

And treats the medics we do have like shit.

They can't even get a cost of living pay rise.

verdantverdure · 14/10/2022 13:30

And the carers got "sent home"

Which fucked that sector too.

Plus covid.

My vet is running a skeleton service this week because they ditched masks and in a matter of weeks got covid. I can only imagine the rolling chaos that must cause in the health service. My doctor buddy has had it at least 4 times.

Manekinek0 · 14/10/2022 13:31

A lack of funding and an increase in workload. Advances in health care are great but as we become more knowledgeable more procedures will be needed. Environmental issues are an increasing problem, poor air quality, stress, poor diet etc.

KangarooKenny · 14/10/2022 13:32

I was referred to get my coil removed last December. A private hospital was closest - and has free parking 😉 - se went for that. They cancelled and changed my appointment repeatedly, the last one I had was for September, and by then I decided I’d had enough and would just leave it there !

bigbluebus · 14/10/2022 13:34

There was a woman on tv from NHS Providers the other morning. She said only 20% are waiting for inpatient procedures. The other 80% are waiting for various tests or day surgery procedures.

ThatsGoingToHurt · 14/10/2022 13:35

My DS has been waiting 7 months for speech therapy so there could be many people waiting for community services such as SLT, OT, etc not just operations.

AmyFl · 14/10/2022 13:36

It's difficult to retain staff in the NHS.

TheWayTheLightFalls · 14/10/2022 13:49

Lots of things together, as others have said. I also suspect that a low percentage of patients take up a high percentage of appointments iyswim - I had a complicated pregnancy and suddenly needed not only a twins specialist but an endocrinologist, physio, specialist midwife, bowel surgeon etc.

ImissyouBR1 · 14/10/2022 14:01

I tried my best to retrain in the NHS in Cornwall. But we don't have the educational facilities and the only major hospital we have don't offer training or placements.

I did what I could. If I lived in Exeter I could have done a degree level apprenticeship in the hospital on the job. Absolutely amazing.

This isn't for nursing btw. Anyway, I tried. 😭

(We have queues of 30 ambulances outside the hospital and frail ladies with broken hips lying outside on the floor for 9 hours waiting)

verdantverdure · 14/10/2022 22:23

bigbluebus · 14/10/2022 13:34

There was a woman on tv from NHS Providers the other morning. She said only 20% are waiting for inpatient procedures. The other 80% are waiting for various tests or day surgery procedures.

That's disingenuous weasel words though really isn't it?

When everything from coronary angioplasty to hip replacement is day surgery these days.