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baby jabs. tell me why you didn't have them done

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fingerwoman · 06/01/2008 22:00

I am umming and ahhing over baby jbs for ds2.
not sure what's best.
it's now 3 injections all on the same day and I just don't like it

if you didn't get your baby jabbed, why not? I have read bits and pieces about them but I need more info really.

if I decided to get them done would I be able to request that he have them one at a time? or is it all 3 or nothing?

I am slightly scared as my friend is a nurse and had a baby in with diptheria the other day

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LaylaandSethsmum · 08/01/2008 16:23

Its diptheria, tetanus, polio, pertussis and HIb in one jab, Menc in one and pneumococcal in one.Normally given on same day at 16 wks but you could split them up if you want to.

yurt1 · 08/01/2008 16:23

But that would be

diptheria
tetanus
pertussis
polio
hib
meningitis C
penumococcal

so 7 components across 3 jabs. so you're still doubling up somewhere (except pneumonococcal

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fingerwoman · 08/01/2008 16:24

oh yes, I know I can't get each individual component separate. just thinking of having gaps between the 3 that there are iyswim

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rosealbie · 08/01/2008 17:33

When I said separately, I mean the three combinations mentioned on other posts done with gaps in between. She didn't have the pneumococcal one.

annobal · 08/01/2008 19:33

Thanks Ruty - I thought it was very one-sided as well and it would be good to get a balanced view point. Thanks for the recommendation of the book.

Sixofone · 09/01/2008 14:45

Hi, when I said we had them individually, what I meant was..
1 visit we had one dose of the 5-in-1 jab and said No Men C.
Next visit we had Men C.
Visit after that 5-in-1.
etc etc...
up as far as MMR and pneumococcal, which they wanted to do at the same time and I insisted we had seperately.

Sooty7 · 29/03/2008 22:09

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MrsThierryHenry · 29/03/2008 22:17

Sorry, haven't had time to read whole thread but just wanted to add a story which I heard recently.

My good friend's lovely 9-year-old nephew is currently fighting leukaemia. He's back at school but will be on chemo for a few years. Needless to say this means everyone has to be extra careful when it comes to exposing him to bugs. I couldn't bear to think what could happen if a child brought something like measles into his school because they hadn't been innoculated. I hope it never happens.

Until I heard about this it really never occured to me that my decisions to innoculate might have such significant ramifications in future.

Sorry to be such a bearer of doom, but it is an important consideration.

Sooty7 · 31/03/2008 15:16

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MrsThierryHenry · 31/03/2008 15:24

No, his father is a doctor so I'm pretty sure that HE has been vaccinated; the issue is that if his peers haven't been vaccinated and contract an infectious disease, he will be at extremely high risk.

Until reading this thread I wasn't aware of the childhood cancer issue. That really makes it a much more complex issue as you say, Sooty7. However there must be other factors which ultimately lead to the onset of cancer, otherwise you'd expect a huge number of children to be contracing cancer. Are there any studies comparing the incidence of cancer in vaccinated and non-vaccinated children?

orangina · 31/03/2008 15:32

I haven't read this whole thred, but answering the OP, I did give ds all his infant jabs, BUT, I didn't get them all done at the same time (ie, I didn't let him have 3 in one day), and I spaced them out more than the recommended spacing.
Like sixofone (have just read up a bit on the thread)...
Couldn't bear him not to have the basic jabs, but won't be doing MMR, will do separately, more for reasons of not wanting his system to deal with the M the M and the R all together, not necessarily because of autism thing.

Sooty7 · 31/03/2008 19:35

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MrsThierryHenry · 01/04/2008 22:50

Sadly Sooty, the chemo has knocked out his immunity to just about everything - that's what chemo does. It kills anything and everything in order to destroy the cancer, and leaves you with no immunity to anything. My own mother died after she contracted a post-chemo infection which her body was unable to fight.

Re Dr Wakefield, my understanding was that he was struck off because at the same time as he was spreading his theories about the possible dangers of MMR he was creating his own vaccine - i.e. there was a conflict of interests and it was strongly felt that he had created the story in order to pave the way for his own vaccine.

What a disappointment that the only research into the safety of vaccines is funded by the pharmaceuticals themselves. That's much like taking advice on the health risks of smoking from British American Tobacco.

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fingerwoman · 01/04/2008 22:57

oooh just saw this had been revived and it reminded me of something else I wanted to ask.

ds2 still hasn't had any jabs. but I remembered what someone said about the single tetanus jab not existing any more, it onlyb eing available as the 3-in-1

so, could I ask for him to have that instead of the 5-in-1? or is it only available in adult doses or something?

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fakeblonde · 01/04/2008 23:04

Mother in law begged me not to immunise as all 3 of her ds`s had had fits following theirs.
DD 1 i had immunised and she fitted-she had a respiratory arrest and ended up badly epileptic.

DD 2 we didn`t immunize but following long deliberation had ds 1 jabbed aged 4 and 1/2 because we always said we would with a boy.

Since his jabs he hasn`t fitted but has had one infection after another and now has shingles.
We are still glad we had them done but would never do it before 4 or 5 when they are a bit stronger.
WQe will buy dd 2 a rubella vaccine this year as she is now 12.

I have met too many mums (am a midwife ) with bad experiences.
BTW i have never ever disclosed this to a patient for fear of influencing them.

MrsThierryHenry · 02/04/2008 14:57

Fakeblonde, I'm so sorry to hear about your family history. How incredibly distressing for you all. It sounds like there's some kind of family sensitivity (genetic or otherwise) to something in the jabs - has this ever been investigated?

yurt1 · 02/04/2008 14:59

"Re Dr Wakefield, my understanding was that he was struck off because at the same time as he was spreading his theories about the possible dangers of MMR he was creating his own vaccine - i.e. there was a conflict of interests and it was strongly felt that he had created the story in order to pave the way for his own vaccine."

This is completely incorrect.

Heathcliffscathy · 02/04/2008 15:02

ruty, have you called her on it (the single tetanus jab?) maybe she can get it. if so can I have her name and address please

Heathcliffscathy · 02/04/2008 15:04

factually couldn't be more incorrect. the GMC hearing is taking place as we write isn't it?

and the editor of the lancet v sympathetic to wakefield?

that's what i read.

fleximum · 02/04/2008 15:07

I see all these discussions about the various vaccines and find it interesting. I should express some bias in that I am a medic and have had both my children vaccinated. I clearly have to do some more reading into the points under discussion and some of you have obviously had bad experiences. I just wanted to make the point that multiple vaccinations are, as far as we can tell, completely safe for the majority of children and in order to try to maintain herd immunity in the community I think people should be encouraged to have the vaccinations unless there is a good reason not to.

yurt1 · 02/04/2008 15:10

Ha ha, not sure that the editor of the Lancet would be described as sympathetic to Wakefield. He did however say that the original paper was excellent science and still stands. He disagrees with Wakefields comments recommending single jabs rather than MMR whilst further research took place.

Wakefield was not planning to flood the market with his own brand single jabs. He was attempting to develop a treatment for the bowel disease seen in the children he treated. This could potentially have acted as a safer single jab. If you read the patent application it is clear the emphasis is on treating the 7% ish of children with autism who have the specific form of bowel disease he described. Had the patent been exploited the financial benefits would have gone to the Royal Free. When he talked about a 'return' to single jabs to allow further research to be carried out- that's what he meant a 'return'.

yurt1 · 02/04/2008 15:11

Wakefield's commnets btw were made at a press conference. He does not disagree with the comments made in the paper.

yurt1 · 02/04/2008 15:13

fingerwoman - not sure. I think you could ask for the DTaP. Think it's still around and it's fine for littlies if it is. (No good for me as I don't want ds3 having pertussis- he's had one seizure already- that was enough for me).

sorkycake · 02/04/2008 15:19

We vaccinated dd with 3in1, single mmr jabs.

We vaccinated ds with what we thought were 3in1 but were lied to, it was the new 5in1 which we did not consent for, separate mmr.

Ds2 has not been vaccinated for anything yet. He is 13 mo and has been b'fed.
We are researching for some singles where available. MMR will be separate.

The age of 8 weeks for a first jab is not when you should get your child vaccinated btw, it is the minimum age the gov't allows vaccination.
It is perfectly acceptable to wait until the child is older before agreeing to vaccinate & it saddens me that parents are not told this info.

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