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Adding 'medicine' vs Adulterating food

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butnobodytoldme · 10/02/2022 17:10

Sorry,long post. Has anyone raised the adding of vitamins to any and all foods, frequently at levels internationally declared too high?

An example, not the worst, is a fruit drink sold in re-usable glass bottles, therefore likely to appeal particularly to people concerned about ethical consumption and health

Small print shows it contains overdose levels of added vitamins
e.g. 700 times the recommended amount of vitamin B 12, in a product which "must be consumed within 3 days" I.E. purchasers must take a minimum of double the agreed medically advisable amount of B 12, even before whatever other dietary sources they take in each day.

Shortage of B12 or any other vitamin is not a good thing. But overdoses of any vitamins are equally bad. That is the entire purpose of producing internationally agreed advisable amounts.

It appears the pharmachemical industry is offloading its products by fair means or questionable ones. (In vitamin pills, it is not rare to see a supposedly daily pill would contain many hundreds the advised amount of an ingredient)

Having once known someone eager to improve her health, but wrecking it by taking overdoses of vitamins, I find this shocking: The general public might well believe that "if some is good, more must be better", so even if they do read the small print, not everyone will notice the significance, and only pharmacists will know the risks of overdosing.

"With added protein" or "With added vitamins" is unscrupulous marketing of a false notion that there can never be too much of a "good thing". People could be feeding themselves or their children ridiculous amounts of what appears 'nutritious', such as the same amount of protein as an entire animal carcasse, or the same amount of a vitamin as a lorry load of vegetables.

The industry may shrug that "it is declared on the label, so customers freely choose". For half a century, customers "freely chose" tobacco, in ignorance of the full implications of what that industry understood.

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BertieBotts · 10/02/2022 17:25

I must admit I have not thought about this. I assumed that drinks etc with added vitamins are more of a marketing thing than anything and a very small amount, I will be a bit more careful when buying those now.

Likewise I tend to assume that multivitamins have the recommended amounts of vitamins in. When I needed to take high dose iron, I couldn't buy the pills in a normal shop, only on prescription.

I did have to stop DH giving DC 2 different children's multivitamins at once! I would have thought that quite common knowledge and was surprised he didn't think it might be a problem, but I wouldn't expect to overdose by taking a single supplement or a vitamin-infused drink.

Inspectorslack · 10/02/2022 17:28

I did not know this. Thank you

LittleSnakes · 10/02/2022 17:30

I agree with you on this.

CorrBlimeyGG · 10/02/2022 17:37

Shortage of B12 or any other vitamin is not a good thing. But overdoses of any vitamins are equally bad. That is the entire purpose of producing internationally agreed advisable amounts.

No, 'overdoses' of B12 is not as bad as deficiency. There is no recognised overdose amount for B12, your body gets rid of any excess.

Taking excessive amounts of certain vitamins is pointless, but it's not dangerous.

You need to do some research before making assertions on something you don't understand.

mixum · 10/02/2022 18:06

I understood that water soluble vitamins cannot be overdosed on.

ChatterMonkey · 10/02/2022 18:10

I just figured that you pee'd out the extra above what your body can absorb, and that too much wasnt dangerous, but a waste of money?

butnobodytoldme · 10/02/2022 19:01

@corblimy I'm so sorry I didn't explain clearly enough.

a)As I said a friend has seriously harmed herself with overdosing.
b)Not all overdoses are 'harmlessly' ejected by the body
c) As I also said, ( by using the terms 'for example' and 'e.g.') the one vitamin dose I cited was an example. (Somewhat at random, and I admit I picked it not least because the maths on that number chanced to be the easiest!)

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Susu49 · 10/02/2022 19:07

Pharmacist told me excess vitamins would be flushed out (passed in urine).

I think you'd have to take astronomically high doses to overdose wouldn't you?

Stichintime · 10/02/2022 19:11

Most vitamins are not harmful if consumed in excess. You dont hear about people overdosing because they ate too many fruit and vegetables do you?

Anoisagusaris · 10/02/2022 19:15

I thought only vitamins A and D (ie fat soluble ones ) are toxic if taken in excess quantities?

I’m surprised any food or drinks have such high levels of added vitamins. I always thought they were included in fairly small doses. What drink is it?

butnobodytoldme · 10/02/2022 19:33

@Stichintimestitch in time, sorry, should have phrased it more clearly when making reference to "the same amount of vitamin as a lorry load of vegetables"

Since what happened to my friend, I have become particularly aware of this and take notice every time a science or diet or medical expert mentions additives with reference comparisons showing it would be literally humanly impossible for a human to consume that amount by natural means.

It's confirmatory cognition bias, but that only means I notice it, where other people wouldn't register the information. (As you suddenly pay attention if a home town is mentioned on the news)

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LuckyWithMyLot · 10/02/2022 19:40

Can you give an examples of a product currently on the market that you would consider "dangerous"?

I've only ever seen high vitamin doses when it comes to water soluble vitamins which are simply peed out of the body. So pose no risk.

CharacterForming · 10/02/2022 19:40

You can overdose on some vitamins, including A, and B6, but not B12.

OP I think if you're going to convince us that people overdosing on vitamins from supplemented food is a real risk you're going to have to give us an example of a food supplemented with an overdosable vitamin to a level where that might happen.

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