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Cluster headaches, advise please

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Loveagingernut · 11/01/2022 21:42

My 23 year old son is experiencing the most horrendous headaches which the gp has diagnosed as cluster headaches. He is getting them daily. He has been prescribed bedranol. He has tried various over the counter pain killers but none of them are helping. He describes the pain in eye/ eyebrow area as it feeling like it wants to explode. The extreme pain is lasting about 3 hours.

Can anyone that has experience of cluster headaches recommend a pain killer which has worked for them.

To watch my son in so much pain is just awful , any advice would be appreciated.

Cheers in advance.

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Redannie118 · 12/01/2022 19:32

Hi i have cluster headaches. Has your son been for a CT scan? If not that should be the first port of call. As for painkillers, beta blockers generally work best with clusters, and no opiod type painkillers at all as they can rebound and make him worse. Oxygen works really well for clusters too. TBH you need a second opinion, your GP cannot simply diagnose Clusters and then send away with no further treatment plan. Do you have another GP you can see?

Loveagingernut · 12/01/2022 20:28

Thank you so much for replying,
Only just diagnosed, not had a CT scan but I will encourage my son to push for that.
Beta blockers are not touching the pain.
No opioids…..because we have tried everything, we have just got cocodamol which is opioid , I believe, so will tell him not to take that.
What does rebound mean?
Oxygen as in a tank and you wear a mask?

The doc who diagnosed cluster headaches was actually giving us his opinion (so a second) on a migraine diagnosis and said what my son was experiencing was not migraines but clusters.

Can I ask, does a cold compress help?

Thank you, I am so desperate, it is awful to see your son in such pain and there is nothing I can do to help

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Gobolino80 · 12/01/2022 20:31

DH is prescribed Sumatriptan injections for cluster headaches, they help a lot it might be worth asking the Dr about that. I feel for you, I hate seeing him I so much pain with them, must be awful to see your child suffering like that.

SilverHairedCat · 12/01/2022 20:37

The usual first treatment for cluster headache is as described - sumatriptan injections and oxygen.

www.nice.org.uk/guidance/cg150/ifp/chapter/treatments-for-cluster-headache#:~:text=Treatments%20for%20cluster%20headache,-Pain%20relief&text=Your%20healthcare%20professional%20should%20offer,connected%20to%20a%20reservoir%20bag.

He has my absolute sympathy - I've had two bouts and they are horrific.

NotanotherboxofFrogs · 12/01/2022 20:52

Oxygen has been a lifesaver for me along with other treatments.

20 minutes of high flow in a rebreather mask really helps. Then break for an hour or two and repeat as needed.

Loveagingernut · 12/01/2022 21:33

Thank you so much, I have shown my son your replies.
Tomorrow we are on a mission.

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Gobolino80 · 12/01/2022 22:03

Hope he gets some help @Loveagingernut, poor lad, it's horrific.
I can see a physical change in DH's face when he's having an attack. Let us know how you get on.

mdh2020 · 12/01/2022 22:05

Sounds like migraines which need sumatriptan. If that doesn’t work Epilim which is an epilepsy drug works a treat.

SilverHairedCat · 12/01/2022 22:10

@mdh2020 cluster headache is a separate diagnosis from migraine.

And Epilim is far from the first line treatment - it's side effects often outweigh any benefits and there are much better, more modern options. It wouldn't routinely be prescribed for cluster headache either.

Muchtoomuchtodo · 12/01/2022 22:15

I was suffering with similar sounding headaches which one GP had said we’re migraines and another said cluster headaches.
I had sumatriptan prescribed with mixed results.
The I finally had some dental work done and I’ve not had a beadache since (a month now - used to need to take sumatriptan at least 3 times a week).
I don’t want to stop you pushing for further investigations but has he seen a dentist and optician just to rule out any other issues?

Loveagingernut · 12/01/2022 22:20

No dental issues, optician appointment next week.

Will update tomorrow, cheers everyone

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ShadesOfMagenta · 12/01/2022 22:30

Please look at the info at The Migraine Trust
migrainetrust.org/understand-migraine/types-of-migraine/other-headache-disorders/cluster-headache/

For migraines frozen injury cold packs can alleviate pain - not sure about for cluster headaches.

Mindymomo · 14/01/2022 08:47

I sympathise, my DH started getting cluster headaches at the age of 21 (he’s now 64 and thankfully doesn’t have them anymore) and then there wasn’t a lot of information about cluster headaches and medication and he was given migraine treatment which really only helped a little. He had tests and brain scans, but his clusters used to last around 2/3 weeks and during this time, it was awful, he would crawl around in pain until it passed, usually anything up to an hour. Once they went away, he had 2 years of no clusters, then they would start again. This was the usual cycle for them. He’s tried various medication, whilst none took them away completely, they did help. I have a cousin who has cluster headaches regularly all the time and is on daily medication, she is under a consultant for regular visits. She knows that chocolate is a trigger.

Loveagingernut · 14/01/2022 16:11

Hi everyone

My son managed to get a telephone consultation with the doctor yesterday. He has been given stronger pain killers, unsure what!

My son asked about oxygen therapy but the doctor replied that they don’t provide that. 🤷‍♀️

However it is now 31 hours since he had a headache, that is the longest break he has had in 3 weeks.

Can anyone advise me if I can buy o2 and mask etc online, and point me in the right direction. I am UK based.

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Muchtoomuchtodo · 17/01/2022 17:50

I have no idea op, it has to be prescribed I think. If you find that you can, you’d better check that your house insurance is still valid with portable oxygen in the house.

Loveagingernut · 17/01/2022 22:20

Ok, thank you

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Janeandjohnny · 17/01/2022 22:35

If this does not resolve (I had significant headache issues) then:
Get a CT and see a neurologist and migraine specialist
Make sure to avoid caffeine and alcohol
Go to a physio with experience in occipital neuralgia as its uncommon but the pain you describe sounds exactly like it
Make sure you are medicating early with the biggest dose you can- dont dick about with trying OTC stuff if you have prescription
Make sure sleep and wake times are regular

I would start a headache diary now with detailed notes in case it does not resolve- neurologist will want this.
Good Luck!

triballeader · 18/01/2022 09:57

Firstly contact OUCH UK. They are the registered UK charity offering support for Cluster Headaches and related forms of Trigeminal Autonomic Cephaligia disorders. www.ouchuk.org

Secondly- the GP should be following the NICE guidelines on management of primary headache disorders and the BASH guidelines.

Over the counter painkillers are as useful as eating smarties. They do not work and will not work. Verapamil is often the first preventive drug of choice at a headache clinic for Cluster Headaches as it tends to be one of the few that can help – betablockers are favoured for migraine headaches. Verapamil does not suit everyone. Everyone is different and CH is complex to manage so ask for a referral to a specialist hospital headache clinic. OUCH UK can provide information as to which ones are capable of managing CH. Please note there are some headache clinics that focus on migraines and tension headaches only.

Cocodomol- avoid using for CH. It does not help cluster pain and it has a bad habit of setting off rebound headaches on top. Rebound headaches are as painful as migraines and as nasty. They trick you into thinking you need to take more and more co-codomol, until you end up hooked on the stuff and still have CH to deal with. No opiate drug will touch the pain of CH. The only licences drug that can help is sumatriptian. This needs to delivered via a nasal spray- akin to snorting up the contents of a sixth form chemistry sink or by auto-injectors. Gp’s will try to prescribe the tablets as they are far cheaper. Only the nasal sprays and auto-injectors work fast enough to impact CH. For CH and CH ONLY - you can use up to two doses of sumatriptain per day. Best not to unless you really need to as it can cause side effects.

Oxygen is used as an abortive drug. It helps with the pain – HOWEVER- it needs to be delivered via an ultra high flow system with a demand valve. These are available on the HOOF prescription form and some GP’s are able to prescribe 15LPM with a none rebreather mask. Many only prescribe low flow rates [under 15 LPM] which is frankly smarties. My home oxygen tanks can kick out an ultra high flow of up to 160LPM of oxygen using the demand valve. The valve and mouthpiece that looks similar to the etonox valves used in labour wards. Home oxygen can only be prescribed. This provides you with 24 hour support from the home oxygen supplier and access to replacement sundries when needed. They also do six monthly home safety checks and liase with both the local fire service and utility suppliers so you are on the priority lists if utility supplies go down. You also need to inform your car insurers of carrying oxygen in your car. It does not add to the cost but you will not be insured if you carry oxygen and do not tell them. I also recommend using transport hazard symbols on your car [lets emergency services know about potential hazards]

Hospital Clinics will screen those with CH to rule out rare causes of the headaches using an MRI or CAT or both. Most of the time these screens will not show anything. CH is diagnosed based on symptoms. It can help the hospital to confimr a tentative diagnosis if you can film an attack or take photos of your sons face during an attack as many of us have ‘Horners Syndrome’ during actual attacks. I advise you NOT to touch your son or try and get his attention to do so during an attack as the pain is so bad at the time it means nothing else exists. Never stop him moving around. Offer ice packs to put on the pack of his neck and eye socket as this can help notch the pain down just a little. Some find heat pads help. Some interchange from hot to cold to try to confuse the additional pain signals running in the TMN. I have not found anything that works for pain running via the optic nerve.

The recommended management for migraine does not help CH. Falling asleep tends to set off attacks so it can make sleep rather difficult. Some have found simple mindfulness and relaxation exercises helpful. When it is really bad I just rest where I can when I can. Sleep during a bad bout of CH attacks can become mythical. There is something known as ‘shadows’ and ‘shadowing’. The best way I can describe this is like the aftershocks following a major earthquake. Its best not to use drugs with these and find a way to distract yourself, pace around or my all time fave- stick my head into the cool of the freezer with the door open. Cold air and ice packs can help with bad shadows.

BTW if you keep a headache diary you need to keep an indepth one rather than those used for 'just' migraines. OUCH UK should be able to help with a template or know of any new apps that do this. Such a diary helped the Prof of neurology work out what I thought where me being a wuss with headaches were chronic migraines and the migraines were severe CH attacks.

If you have any questions – happy to answer and signpost you. I have a clear diagnosis of chronic migraine and cluster headaches, under a prof of neurology as two for the price of one makes my headache disorders too complex for my GP to manage and have had this for way too many years.

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triballeader · 18/01/2022 10:07

Re: Home insurance. Should be covered without additional costs provided you follow all the safety advise of your home oxygen supplier i.e safe place to store spare cylinders away from naked flames. Awareness of the dangers of oxygen enrichment- a real hazard with ultra high flow - soft furnishings, clothes, hair and similar can all become infused with oxygen making them ultra flammable. Have working smoke alarms in strategic places in your home. Home Oxygen supplier can liase with local fire service for smoke alarms if you struggle to afford them and need home oxygen. I also have a box to store spare cylinders away from all sources of naked flames.

Pooky001 · 18/01/2022 10:20

Sorry your son is suffering with these. I have clusters too, usually for one month a year then they disappear as quickly as they came. I use Immigran (sumatriptan) nasal sprays as soon as I get the tell tale signs and have also used the injections in the past, both worked well for me. During a cycle there are certain triggers to avoid - a big one being alcohol which can bring on a headache straight away for me. I posted on another thread about a new medication announced last year or maybe 2020? My GP hadn’t heard of it but it’s called Gammacore and it’s a non invasive handheld device. Might be worth looking into that or ask the OUCH members who I’ve found to be so helpful and knowledgeable. All the best x

Bluebluemoon39 · 18/01/2022 10:26

Your poor ds.

Not cluster headaches but I've suffered migraines for years.

I've been taking Nortriptyline (a relaxant) for 6 months now and (fingers crossed) haven't had one since. You start off with one pill each evening (they can make you feel sleepy) but can take up to three.

If this carry's on it's actually life-changing. I would say definitely worth your ds trying (there are a few mild side effects such as constipation for a few weeks and dry mouth but nothing compared to the pain and disruption of the migraines).

Good luck with finding something suitable.

Bluebluemoon39 · 18/01/2022 10:27

Sumatriptan are good for if he feels one coming on too. I have a stash of these just in case.

triballeader · 18/01/2022 12:22

Pooky is correct.

Gammacore was trailed as an alternative to abortive drugs and was finally made available via an NHS prescription from April last year. HOWEVER- whilst it sounds similar to TENS for headaches in reality it is a vagus nerve stimulator. You need to be shown how to safely use it and it needs to be individually set for each person. Again OUCH can advise on this further as members took part in the initial trial then the two year wider trial. It is a none invasive option that might suit those who would otherwise have needed ONSI or DBS surgery. Ouch free online info on this treatment can be found here : ouchuk.org/gammacore

And the point about alchohol- 100% true and very important to know about. Most CH sufferers are teatotal during CH bouts as it just is not worth the extra pain. Word of warning the alchohol in hand sanitiser on your skin can just as easily set off a CH attack during a CH bout. Thanks to covid I found that one out the hard way.

Loveagingernut · 20/01/2022 20:48

Thank you everyone, headaches have stopped for the moment, but he will be more prepared for when the come back.

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chillydownwiththefiregang · 22/01/2022 22:04

How is your son, OP?

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