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I don't think I need to go for smear test

65 replies

deathbollywood · 14/11/2021 00:04

have been married for 20 years, we were both each others first sexual partners, given CC is passed through sexual contact, I don't think I need to go for smear tests as I must be v low/no risk?

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delilahbucket · 14/11/2021 08:57

Have it, don't have it. You shouldn't need to ask strangers on the internet whether you are making the right decision. We're not here to validate you. It could save your life, it might not. We can't decide for you whether to mitigate that risk.

PupInAPram · 14/11/2021 09:08

So if someone is fully vaccinated against hpv before they ever had sex, does that mean they don't need smear tests?

Winewednesday · 14/11/2021 09:27

I am fully vaccinated against HPV but on my 2nd smear HPV was detected, a follow up smear within 12 months showed abnormal cells. I had these removed following a lletz treatment within 3 weeks I was diagnosed with cervical cancer. Fortunately it was caught early enough but I still had to had a hysterectomy at 29. So my advice is absolutely have a smear test what may be painful for a small amount of time is certainly better then a lifetime of worry! HPV can lie dormant too.

kateg27 · 14/11/2021 09:36

My mum; who has been with my dad since she was 17, has had cervical cancer.
Her mum died from it. You're ridiculous not to go in my opinion.

FindingMeno · 14/11/2021 09:41

Your choice obviously.
It wouldn't be my choice though.
Make your decisions on absolutes though is my advice - and I can't see any absolutes.

PupInAPram · 14/11/2021 09:49

Thank you @Winewednesday for sharing that.

RedToothBrush · 14/11/2021 09:50

@Clymene

What are the risks of cervical screening *@RedToothBrush* ?
Many women have unnecessary treatment which in some cases affect their ability to have children. Unfortunately the problem is that doctors cannot tell the difference between false positives and positives. Some women may never know their treatment was unnecessary either because of how this works - instead they believe 'their life was saved'.

This is uncommon but it is a risk. This is a studied risk.

As is the risk of women feeling traumatised by having a smear - sometimes because of a medical reason or something in their past or because of a practitioner having poor skills. This is not a properly studied risk.

We have a culture of put up and shut up which minimises both of these which very much affects women much more than men.

We have far too many women who normalise poor experiences and say we should accept this 'because it saves lives' when actually we should be pushing much harder for more modern and less invasive techniques as an alternative to smears and better reliability in testing. We should be studying how many women find the experience of a smear traumatic.

Instead we have the narrative of 'embarrassment' which I do think shames and blackmails women (who may have been sexually abused or assaulted) rather than sympathising and helping them. Far too much promotion to women who don't have smears does not stress and provide adequate support for women in this situation. Instead it has the effect of alienating some and that affects their wider trust of health care because there is a total lack of empathy.

We should not be telling women who have had poor experiences to take or request a sedative before having a smear - which is a suggest I see far too often on these threads.

There is also no discussion about how women are allowed not to join in screening. Its just not in the language of society and thats also wrong. Informed consent must include the right to opt out - instead stressing the informed part as being important (hence why I am careful to say if women opt out it should be because they have accurate information and appropriate support as part of this process. The OP here is leaning one way on the basis of something of a fallacy so should seriously consider that before making up mind).

Its near impossible to opt out completely from screening which I also find poor, particularly because of the way that this involves money - GPs get paid if they reach their % target of woman who have one so they have something of a conflict of interest going on here which isn't necessarily in the woman's interest. (Areas of deprivation have lower take up, this affects other healthcare provision because GPs dont get paid for achieving target. It also means these women get more coercion applied to try and meet targets rather than investment given to areas with lower take up to tackle underlying social issues - perhaps like a higher rate of sexual abuse / assault - particularly since these communities are more likely to be at higher risk to begin with). There are well respected and educated GPs who find this highly problematic and stress how this can affect GP/patient relationships elsewhere - leading to women feeling like they want to avoid the GP for other reasons because of how they will be harrassed for an overdue smear. This may lead them to delay seeking health advice when they need it, and increase indirect health risks from screening (eg a woman avoids the doctor cos she gets hassled for her smear but has undiagnosed heart problems or diabetes as a result - thus indirectly affecting her health). Again this isnt well acknowledged never mind studied (we have heard a lot about indirect consequences on health in other areas from the covid crisis so I would hope there was greater awareness of indirect public health issues going forward).

Women who have symptoms should also have a smear. Unfortunately the screening programme is also hiding a problem - women under the age of the programme have found it hard to get one when they actually need one - some GPs fob them off rather than recognising they have symptoms because of their age. Or women with symptoms under age of the programme are less likely to seek advice because they mistakenly believe that it cannot be cervical cancer because they are 'too young'.

As it stands the advice is that women who are eligible should get a smear. We should stick by that. We should also have greater awareness and understanding of why women don't have them, rather than pressuring them to have them because of indirect effects on health in other areas. We should be doing more research to improve techiques and get rid of smears completely in favour of less invasive testing. We should stress the need for women to actively seek testing if they have symptoms regardless of their age. And funding of GPs around screening should be completely overhauled.

So yes, I do think their are inherit risks on an individual level, on a community level and on an institutional level associated with screening (of all types not just smears) which need better awareness, acknowledgement and addressing - and aren't necessarily purely about what is being screened for in the first place.

RedToothBrush · 14/11/2021 09:52

@PupInAPram

So if someone is fully vaccinated against hpv before they ever had sex, does that mean they don't need smear tests?
The evidence at this stage isn't fully in so the recommendation remains to be screened. However the ongoing research seems to be suggesting the advice may change over the next few years which is fantastic news for young women and girls.
Justgettingbye · 14/11/2021 09:59

@TravisFountain

If I may be blunt, the only person's sexual history you know about 100% is your own.

Even people who haven't had penetrative sexual intercourse can be exposed to HPV. A smear test is straightforward and free.

Do what you will; but I think smear tests are a great idea for all women.

This.

I was meant to be in a monogamous relationship turned out oh had been screwing around. If you think it's pointless why not just do it?

RedToothBrush · 14/11/2021 10:10

I think the thing for me is that I think women should be properly informed. And retain the right without coercion and emotional blackmail to decline. However there is a massive need to improve how screening programmes are run and promoted in order to achieve this properly.

There is a massive issue with large scale public health schemes generally that dont properly examine the reasons why people don't engage and then apply the wrong type of pressure on those at the edges damaging public trust in healthcare in the process.

In the OPs case I do think she's ill informed so if she decides not to have a smear on this basis she's perhaps made an uninformed decision. I think she still has the right to decline but we should be informing her rather than telling her that she should just get a smear.

Our opinion about what we do, is somewhat irrelevant. We are all different and in different circumstances.

We should be encouraging questions about screening to improve how it is done and promoted. Part of this includes being critical and pointing out poor practice and poor promotion techniques. It doesn't necessarily serve the public as a whole when public health is too aggressive. We've seen that it can actually entrench views with covid vaccine leading to stronger anti vax sentiment rather than necessarily increasing uptake.

Its a fascinating subject and I would urge the OP to seek out accurate information before making a decision given what she's said.

We should be doing better than we are.

Katela18 · 14/11/2021 10:14

I wouldn't advise this.

My friends mum has just found out she has cervical cancer, which is now untreatable. She has only ever been with her husband.

I'm not sure why you would put yourself at risk for the sake of a relatively straightforward, in most cases, procedure.

Fluffycloudland77 · 14/11/2021 10:14

It’s less invasive than cancer treatment so I’d go.

JingleCatJingle · 14/11/2021 10:17

Go.

Morgan12 · 14/11/2021 10:19

I have been with my husband for 14 years and had HPV at my last smear. Go get it!

RachC2021 · 14/11/2021 10:25

Only ever had one. It hurt like hell. The nurse massively struggled doing it. Given that I can no longer even get a tampon in — and have been single for over ten years — I’m contemplating spending the £500 for the HPV vaccination instead of trying again.

cptartapp · 14/11/2021 10:27

It isn't hereditary.
Just because one smear is normal doesn't mean you can't still be carrying the HPV virus. It can lie dormant and 'flare up'.
There are a small percentage of cervical cancers not HPV related.
Practice nurse.

RockingMyFiftiesNot · 14/11/2021 10:32

You can get HPV with only one sexual partner and when I had a colposcopy recently the consultant explained that it can lie dormant for many years.
And whilst HPV is the cause of most cervical cancers, it is not 100%.

Depends whether you are prepared to gamble on the odds being in your favour.

PittaMyBread · 14/11/2021 10:48

Oh my goodness, please just go.

Multicolouredsequins · 14/11/2021 11:19

I'm still confused by the lack of information on HPV; can you catch it early on in a relationship and then have it disappear over time (most people clear it naturally), only to have it reappear years later? Can it reactivate or can you develop cervical cancer despite not currently having active HPV? Or are women in 'monogamous' relationships that develop HPV some years after being with a partner actually not in a monogamous relationship? (I.e partner cheating?). Or are people catching it from sitting on a gym bench etc? I can never get a clear answer from a nurse. A tiny percentage of women get cervical cancer from non HPV causes, but the bulk are from HpV infection. If you test negative for HPV, surely you are fairly safe from the risk of cervical cancer? I'd genuinely appreciate better information about this.

PerseverancePays · 14/11/2021 12:14

My understanding is that the majority of cervical cancers cases come from the HPV virus. The reason nuns traditionally never had cervical cancer was because they joined as girls and had never had sexual partners. Of course the ones joining later and tested positive or had cervical cancer skewed the numbers.
I also find smears difficult, partly past history, mostly the lack of skill of the person doing it. My tests have been negative for over twenty years, or the last two ‘inconclusive’ would I like to come in again and see the same person assault me again?
So I paid for an HPV virus test which came back negative. I haven’t had a sexual partner since the last century, if I had the virus twenty years ago, it didn’t come up on the test or my body has dealt with it, so on the information I have, I’m not going in for screening anymore.
Pointless asking Gp or nurse, all they know is that the virus is linked to the cancer, what they want is for you to be screened without fuss so they can get on with their job.

Aliveandkicking23 · 14/11/2021 12:53

Please go for your smear. Also if you are offered go for your mammogram.
Yes both are uncomfortable but can save your life.
Why do women refuse tests to help you.

deathbollywood · 14/11/2021 13:55

thanks all. I just want to make an informed, risk based decision, so slightly confused by some of the emotive responses on here.Interesting discussion anyway.

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MintJulia · 14/11/2021 14:00

You aren't zero risk OP. Certainly you are low risk but that isn't the same.
Having watched a family member suffer from cervical cancer, and everything that goes with it, I'd choose 3 mins discomfort any day.

MintJulia · 14/11/2021 14:07

@multicolouredsequins HPV can be picked up at any time, not only through piv but through any exchange of bodily fluids. Most people clear it from their systems but for some, it can lie dormant, have no symptoms and reassert itself when the body is at a low ebb. It can cause changes to cells on the cervix at any time.
Not all cervical cancers are caused by Hpv so even if you don't have hpv you can still have CC, although it's rare.

RachC2021 · 14/11/2021 14:13

@Aliveandkicking23

Please go for your smear. Also if you are offered go for your mammogram. Yes both are uncomfortable but can save your life. Why do women refuse tests to help you.
I don’t think you’re understanding quite how painful a smear can be. It’s not uncomfortable. It’s sheer f*cking agony for some of us.

Second the advice to go for mammograms when offered. Those are slightly easier to plan around if painful.

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