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POTS advice, fast HR on standing

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Glove20 · 20/11/2020 12:47

I think I may have pots which has developed or worsened perhaps since having baby several months ago.
I also have been diagnosed with hashimoto thyroiditis but this is treated.
I keep getting particularly lightheaded and head rush after bending down - when I straighten up again. Similar if lying down and stand up. My HR seems to be ok when resting but seems to fluctuate alot when I get up etc.
I have times when I feel breathless, I'm very fatigued and my anxiety is alot worse generally, partly not helped by a difficult year.
I've tested my HR when lying down - it's around 70 then I stand up and it's 120 or more sometimes. It stays like this for a minute or so, sometimes longer maybe.
Even bending down like crouching to do something I checked it and it's 70 goes up to 115 or so on standing.
Some days I feel worse than others.
GP not very helpful and just dismissed it. I'm going to ring them back. Also I checked by bp and it's normal with no drop on standing. If anything it goes up a bit on standing.
Couple of occasions I've felt really off generally and had nausea/ loose bowels which instantly made me feel terrible. Drinking water helped.

Has anyone got this, if so what was your HR like? How was it diagnosed. I'm tempted to go private . But then some days I think is it all in my head/ anxiety. But then i think there must be more to it.

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PermanentlyDizzy · 21/05/2021 11:47

Sorry, the thread disappeared of my convos. Massive catch up post:

@Perry13 They have now put that webinar on their YouTube channel .

Re the Ivabradine. It depends on the dose really. Sudden HR drops are very unlikely to be related to it, as it only really adjusts HR by roughly 10 bpm. Most of us find, even on higher doses, that it just tops off the tachycardia, but helps a lot with symptoms.

It could be you are having occasional ectopic beats, which would be nothing to worry about. You can get what looks like a sudden drop in HR with that, as there are two beats close together, then a longer than usual pause and then a stronger next beat. Dr Gupta, York Cardiology has a YouTube video about it, which explains them really well and is very reassuring. I get runs of them and my watch goes bonkers, jumping high and low, as it can’t work out what’s going on. Definitely mention it to your doctor though, as you should keep them informed of any changes. If you have a finger oximeter which shows the wave pattern of your hr you can see them happening. It’s quite useful to video them, as it was easy for my Cardiologist to reassure me that’s what they were when he’d seen the videos.

I had the usual visual side effects, sparkles, peripheral distortion and a pretty light show when going from dark to light and vice versa, but they ease the longer you take it for and I rarely notice any now. Most people tolerate Ivabradine very well, but there is a small cohort that just don’t seem to be able to cope with it. I think iirc, it makes them really exhausted and then generally just feel dreadful on it.

I started on the lowest dose two weeks before our family’s summer holiday and definitely noticed I coped a little better - although maybe a little too well, as I broke my ankle on the beach in the second week! Nothing dramatic, just a feeling of being able to be upright a little longer and being slightly less tired. The kids said I was more fun than usual! Blush Grin I have been slowly titrated up over the years and am now on the highest dose, which unfortunately since peri-menopause hit, is not really helping enough anymore. They are now considering adding in a second medication, but I am not keen on taking Fludrocortisone and the won’t give me Midodrine because I have complex Migraine, although I know other with CM that do take it, so I am going to see if they will let me trial it.

@CausingChaos2, you should be lying quietly, no speaking etc for at least 10 minutes before standing, best practice is 30 minutes. Although, realistically, neither tends to happen at a doctors appointments!

The GP I saw initially didn’t lie me down at all. I think she nearly fainted herself when she saw my HR go from 68 to 130 and continue creeping upwards when I stood up! My TTT results were less dramatic, but consistent, in that I think I went from 80 (started higher as we had a long stressful drive to get there and then had to rush from one side of the hospital to the other) increasing to 148 slowly over 10 minutes. Standing test in the consultant’s office at my first appointment was 68-113.

I would actually get an at home BP monitor and use that for your AST. Take it after you’ve been lying resting, again immediately on standing, then at 2, 5 and 10 minutes (if you last that long - I never have, which is why it was weird I didn’t faint on my TTT). Most doctors will want to know what your BP is doing as well as your HR so it makes things simpler.

Some people with PoTS have increased BP, some have stable and some will still get a drop, which some doctors will argue means it’s not PoTS it’s Orthostatic Hypotension, but it is still PoTS, as long as you still have the sustained HR increase. Current advice is that having OH does not exclude having PoTS and they can exist together. Personally, my BP shoots up initially and then stabilises, whereas my son’s BP stays stable throughout. I do get BP drops, rather embarrassingly only when I’m on the toilet and have fainted quite a few times when I was on there, which apparently is called Micturition Syncope and caused by sudden vasodilation - hence them pushing me to try Fludro to increase my blood volume.

Whatever you do, don’t get obsessed with checking your numbers. If you keep doing and redoing your AST and checking your hr throughout the day you will drive yourself nuts. It’s a variable condition and even the experts say someone not every check will show clear cut PoTS readings, as so many things can influence it. Pick a day, take one first thing before/when you get up, one mid-afternoon and one in the evening. Do that maybe three to four different days across a month and leave the monitors alone the rest of the time. It’s a good idea to get a pre-menstrual reading in there if you can, as most of us are worse when pre-menstrual and/or during our totm.

CausingChaos2 · 22/05/2021 13:12

@PermanentlyDizzy Thank you so much for such a comprehensive reply. Yes, definitely agree on not testing too often. Luckily I haven’t felt the need to do so repeatedly, but I can see how people could.

Cardiology at my local hospital bounced my referral back to the GP about 5-6 years ago as they ‘don’t deal with that condition’ and nothing has been done since. After some positional headaches recently developed my GP is back on the case so hopefully I’ll get a conclusive answer this time.

Twilightstarbright · 22/05/2021 13:31

I don’t have much to add except lots of solidarity. My POTS symptoms developed in pregnancy, although I think I’ve had it mildly since teenage years. Pregnancy switched it on big time so to speak, and migraines also switched on.

I’ve done the CHOP protocol and it helped, as does midodrine.

Desperate to go back in time to shout at the GPs and cardiologists who fobbed me off over the years.

Perry13 · 26/05/2021 17:57

@PermanentlyDizzy you're right as as momI'm

Perry13 · 26/05/2021 18:51

@PermanentlyDizzy thank you so much for sharing the video and detailed reply. They've been really helpful. You're right about the ectopic heartbeats. The ECG monitor showed I have them quite a bit of them which they put down to hormones and stress. The cardiologist assured me it was benign, ngl they stress me out when I feel them.

I've been on the tablets over a week, I have felt a difference, hoping it keeps getting better. I'm still getting headaches/head rush feeling when standing or bending and the usual blurred vision, but my HR seems more controlled.

I have to say at one point I got quite obsessed with monitoring my HR and it was driving me nuts. Trying to ignore it more, will do what you mentioned about choosing a day and monitoring it throughout the day and esp when I'm due on as I feel more symptomatic then. My BP seems to be on the low side and does drop sometimes when I stand. I'll monitor the BP next time I measured my HR.

@Twilightstarbright what is the CHOP protocol?

Twilightstarbright · 26/05/2021 21:23

It’s similar to the Levine protocol, the exercise regime for rehabilitation.

PermanentlyDizzy · 27/05/2021 10:16

@Perry13 The CHOP protocol is the exercise programme I linked to upthread. It originated from research done by The Children’s Hospital of Philadelphia, hence (CHOP).

I am not keen on the Levine Protocol, as his papers relied heavily on the assumption that deconditioning is a cause, not a consequence, of PoTS and that exercise is essentially a ‘cure’. It’s also pretty full on and not very accessible to a lot of people.

CHOP accepts that deconditioning is secondary to/caused by the PoTS and works to try and improve it very gradually. It doesn’t assume the exercise alone will be curative, but that it can improve symptoms and quality of life.

Perry13 · 27/05/2021 13:29

@PermanentlyDizzy Ah, yes I've already saved the link on my phone. It's detailed and has a structured exercise regime which is good. I had a blank moment when I saw the abbreviation CHOP.

In the webinar there was a mention of the drip, read somewhere it could be helpful and can relieve some of the PoTS symptoms. I know NHS only do in an emergency but I'm wondering if I can book myself in privately and how much it can help with increasing blood volume/relieve PoTS symptoms.

What's the updates with you on trialing midodrine?

Starrr123 · 04/02/2023 06:01

@Perry13 how are you now ? Mine was triggered by covid or pregnancy (happened at the same time?
whats helped you and how are you now ? Im soo scared to have another baby xx

Starrr123 · 04/03/2023 17:38

@Perry13 how are you?? Mine started since having covid and then having a baby is got abit worse. How is your symptoms now xx

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