Re sons teeth please advise!!!

[Mevy]

Hi just wanted to speak to someone about my sons teeth. His teeth are really badly rotted this started since he was about 1 years old but has got worse over time. The only option left seems to be to get them removed i wanted to know is it impossible for them to get caps on there teeth to save the place for there adult teeth. Im worried getting his front 4 teeth removed wont leave a place for adult teeth causing terrible adult teeth. I am also worried about how he will eat and talk with the front 4 teeth missing. Not sure if i should hold of getting them removed as they are not causing him pain but they look dreadful his other 3 older sibling have perfect teeth. I don't know if it was the night time bottle that caused his teeth to get so bad but that stopped years ago. Any help advice would be much appreciated

How old is he? Have you been to a dentist and they’ve advised extraction is the only option? If you delay/avoid extractions when there is no other ootion you risk pain/swelling/sepsis.
Crowding of adult teeth is more likely in children who have had extractions of milk teeth however this can usually be corrected with orthodontic treatment as long as adult teeth are healthy and oral hygiene and diet is good.

Sounds like typical bottle caries.
(Brown tiny stumps rotted either to look like apple cores or flush with gum)
These cannot be capped, and unfortunately if he is very young it could affect the eruption of adult teeth coming through rather higgldy.
Night time bottle and high sugar diet has caused this.
May not be in pain now, but will undoubtedly lead to infection and abscesses forming, he needs to be taken to the dentist ASAP.

Hi well i put two posts up because didn't know which section was best to post under but the parents posts which i thought would be more understanding but obviously not. Well ive been taking him dentist since he was one year old and the dentist put it down to bottle in bed which i stopped but it didn't stop his teeth from rotting. I brush his teeth myself twice daily. I was mean to get them removed before lockdown but then corona happened and now still waiting. Its just everytime i go to the dentist she tell me how His adult teeth wont have a place to grow into so will basically grow all over the place which always leaves me confused about what to do.

I'm afraid by the time the bed time bottle was stopped the damage was done.
If advised to remove them, that's all that you can do.
Later down the line you can look at orthodontic opinions to straighten the adult teeth, but there's no hope for what's left.

@toomanyplants

I'm afraid by the time the bed time bottle was stopped the damage was done. If advised to remove them, that's all that you can do. Later down the line you can look at orthodontic opinions to straighten the adult teeth, but there's no hope for what's left.

@toomanyplants

STOP BEING SO NASTY FFS.

Many, many parents give their children night time bottles. Breastfeeding rates in the UK after six weeks are less than 50 percent, so that's at least half of parents giving a night time bottle. Jesus.

Tooth health is sometimes just luck of the bloody draw. OP brushes her DC's teeth. Stop shaming her because you have a problem with bottles and go and find someone else to make you feel smug.

@Grobagsforever are you serious?
Nasty?
WTH?
Clearly this is caries caused by the baby having a bottle to sleep
The OP's dentist has confirmed this!
Not smug in the least, she has asked if they can be capped, well they can't!!
Do you think we tell parents that children require multiple extractions for fun?
Damage IS done, remove the teeth and move forward, end of story
This child isn't the first and won't be the last
Any enamel deficiency would have been identified by the professional.
Dentists don't hate bottles for gods sake

[quote toomanyplants]@Grobagsforever are you serious?
Nasty?
WTH?
Clearly this is caries caused by the baby having a bottle to sleep
The OP's dentist has confirmed this!
Not smug in the least, she has asked if they can be capped, well they can't!!
Do you think we tell parents that children require multiple extractions for fun?
Damage IS done, remove the teeth and move forward, end of story
This child isn't the first and won't be the last
Any enamel deficiency would have been identified by the professional.
Dentists don't hate bottles for gods sake [/quote]
@toomanyplants

Did you spot the bit about the 3 siblings teeth being perfect? Or did you just go straight in for the keyboard kill?

In any event, whether you facts are correct or not, the tone of your posts was needlessly vindictive.

My ds had this issue,There is an issue in the family with weak tooth enamel which didn't help. it the early extractions did lead to him needing orthodontics but his adult teeth are fine.

Hi op, my so. Is 15 months old and has little brown spots developing on his 2 front teeth which are early stages of tooth decay. I’ve never given him a bottle, but has breastfed in the night since a baby.
I found a really nice dentist on Instagram called @thetoothmummy and visited her family practice.
If you’ve been advised by your dentist then I would go with this rather than risk any additional complications.
It’s quite stressful so I understand where you’re coming from. All the best.

@Grobagsforever the siblings teeth are not the issue though are they?
The OP asked for advice, which was follow as instructed by the person qualified to diagnose tooth decay, rather than risk abscesses and possible sepsis by leaving. That you cannot cap teeth that are beyond repair in children, but yes, that was vindictive 🙄

[quote toomanyplants]@Grobagsforever the siblings teeth are not the issue though are they?
The OP asked for advice, which was follow as instructed by the person qualified to diagnose tooth decay, rather than risk abscesses and possible sepsis by leaving. That you cannot cap teeth that are beyond repair in children, but yes, that was vindictive 🙄[/quote]
@toomanyplants

The vindictive part was your instant declaration that the child had a high sugar diet.

Given the three siblings have perfect teeth what are the odds that the OP had suddenly started shovelling down Coca Cola at six months old? See where I'm going?

You could have offered your advice without the nasty accusations.

Well thats the thing the dentist has requested removal only after i been to her with my concern many times even requested them to put the fluoride varnish on when it wasn't so bad which they said they don't do. The denist doesn't seem in favour of him having it done as she starts to list all the negatives and says its my choice but his teeth will have no space to grow into and he could be a good few years without any front teeth as adult teeth can come in at any time. Thanks i appreciate your help for everyone whos left a reply. @Campurp hope u get down to the problem early on as it is really stressful its the last thing any parent would want.

After 29 years of Dentistry, I'd bet my life on this being a case of high sugar intake.
I never mentioned coca-cola, or shovelling sugar down the child's throat.
A bed time bottle with milk contains intrinsic sugars, which a lot of parents are oblivious to.
Had the OP's Dentist alluded to hypoplasia or a similar enamel deficiency then of course my post would have been worded otherwise.
99% of the time.. you require 2 things for teeth to decay. Sugar is one and plaque bacteria is the other.
Therefore I stand by my comment, it is not vindictive in the least, and I hope the OP is able to take her child for the extractions.

@Grobagsforever thanks for your replies did come on here for a bit of suppourt and advice i put two posts up as didnt know which section to put them under and i can honestly say putting these posts up has made me feel worse than i already was guess compassion and advice without judgement is not a thing anymore.

My daughter had 2 rotten front teeth, which were entirely my fault.
My dentist put a white paste on them which hardened and covered the decay.
It came off occasionally and had to be reapplied but stayed put until her teeth came out.
So much better than having to have them out.

Lesson learnt, she has beautiful adult teeth and hasn't required orthodontic treatment.

@NiceTwin do you know what the paste is called and how long ago was this please?

@toomanyplants

Then, given you have 29 years experience, why do the other children have perfect teeth? Parents simply DO NOT suddenly change parenting style for the 4th child.

And why don't we see many more cases like this, given the vast majority of babies DO have nighttime bottles.

Your argument lacks logic, given the evidence. I'm sure you see many heart breaking cases of high sugar diets, but OP's post does not suggest she one and the evidence does not suggest that night bottles automatically lead to cavities. There must be a pre-existing vulnerability to explain why this child is different to their siblings.

Also breast milk contains more sugar than formula, it's the 'pooling' effect of bottles that increase the sugar exposure.

My babies were both breast fed, I'm not being defensive about bottles, but your vilification of the OP simply doesn't stack up.

I had to have my four front teeth out when I was younger, I can vaguely remember it. I bet I must have been about 3 or something. Anyway, my adult teeth came through fine.
I have had braces as an adult but that was from overcrowding on my lower teeth, nothing in relation to having my top teeth removed.

@Grobagsforever I can't explain why.
What I can explain is that if a child presents with rampant caries and the patent admits to a bottle before bed...there's your cause.
Yes, it breaks my heart when I see this, and I see it every day.

@toomanyplants hasn't been vindictive at all. She's not purported blame on anybody. All she did was give some facts, followed by advice. I'm sure any dentist would say the same thing in person. They identify a cause ( if possible ) then a plan of action.

@Mevy it was about 8 to 10 years ago but I have no idea what it is called.

I was just so grateful to my dentist, he never suggested pulling them out.

To the PP mentioning a white paste, this would be a white filling I'm guessing. The problem is that many children are left with brown stumps. Nothing can be done except extraction. The adult teeth may or may not grow in crooked. Two of my DC have had braces and none have ever had any decay.

I had a two year old patient with every tooth rotted down to the gum. Even the erupting teeth were rotten. The mother denied giving the child bottles or juice. She claimed she cleaned them twice a day. She did a food and drink diary for me and there was nothing of note.

Get the teeth removed before they cause further problems and hope that the adult dentition comes through without problems.